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The Next U.S.A PresidentObama, McCain?


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View PostPrincesseJen, on Jun 11 2008, 06:28 AM, said:

View PostAlex_Incognito, on Jun 10 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Lady, I'm from the Chicago area so don't call us sleezy. Not cool.
All policians are full of themselves and don't do everything they say.

I think we're in need of MORE than gay rights. That's not important in this election, let's get the economy back in bounds.

What is so good about Mccain? Follow Hillary's advice and go with Obama.

Don't let this election turn out like the last two, completely embarassing.


First of all sleazy Chicago politics is not an orginial statement form me. Many people say so. Even Michelle Obama says it's the worse kind of politics. Second, Obama isn't going to do a damn thing for the economy. He wants to raise taxes during a recession.  YOU CAN'T DO THAT! People don't understand how much of a poor grasp Obama actually has on the issues. He doesn't get it. Three, Hillary didn't give advice to go with Obama. She said "support" not vote. She KNOWS many of her supporters will NOT vote for him. Just as she was giving her suspenion speech they were approving anti-Obama comments from her supporters on her website. Showing how resistant her supporters are to him. People are so blinded by Obama's rhetoric they can't see Mccain is the lesser of two evils. They try to compare Mccain to Bush but it's the other way around. Bush was the inexperienced candidate just like Obama and the media tried to sell him to us. The same way the media is trying to sell Obama to us today. We're not falling for it. And we're not falling for this notion that we HAVE to fall in line with Obama just because he goes by Democrat. This primary season has opened our eyes to the fact the Democrats are no better then Republcians. They just do a better job at hidding they're manipulative ways with a mask of equality. And let us not forget that in 2004 John Mccain was John Kerry's first consideration for VP when he was running for President. The fact still remains that Obama is a far left radical wacko who is not a good middle ground for anyone while Mccain is more moderate. Believe me, I did not come into this primary season thinking I would defend a Republican. That was out of the question.  But the very idea of Obama being President is frightening.


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I'm sorry i cant stop laughing...your views are just so crazy.

Jen, look at the issues  :hmm:  compare Obama to Clinton and then compare McCain to Clinton
who are more alike based on the issues they stand for...Obama and Clinton thats for sure. A ture Hillary supporter would support Obama over McCain.

  :nono:  I dont know if your racist  :evil:   or what b/c what your saying makes about absoluty no SENSE
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oh god you need to get over your self you sound like a walking ad :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:
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View PostNmj, on Jun 11 2008, 12:29 PM, said:

:sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:

I'm sorry i cant stop laughing...your views are just so crazy.

Jen, look at the issues :hmm: compare Obama to Clinton and then compare McCain to Clinton
who are more alike based on the issues they stand for...Obama and Clinton thats for sure. A ture Hillary supporter would support Obama over McCain.

:nono: I dont know if your racist :evil: or what b/c what your saying makes about absoluty no SENSE
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:rolleyes: Her views aren't any crazier than someone else's. And why would you even say " I don't know if you're racist..." Nothing in any of her posts comes even close to suggesting. I'm disappointed you had to take it there.

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ok im over this i wish one of the would please remove this topic   :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm:
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View PostCelineRose2008, on Jun 11 2008, 01:14 PM, said:

oh god you need to get over your self you sound like a walking ad :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:
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i know!!! hahahaha, i totally love it!!!!!

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View PostCelineRose2008, on Jun 11 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

oh god you need to get over your self you sound like a walking ad


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View PostNmj, on Jun 11 2008, 12:29 PM, said:

:sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:  :sofunny:

I'm sorry i cant stop laughing...your views are just so crazy.

Jen, look at the issues :hmm: compare Obama to Clinton and then compare McCain to Clinton
who are more alike based on the issues they stand for...Obama and Clinton thats for sure. A ture Hillary supporter would support Obama over McCain.

:nono: I dont know if your racist :evil: or what b/c what your saying makes about absoluty no SENSE
-Nmj

:rolleyes: Her views aren't any crazier than someone else's. And why would you even say " I don't know if you're racist..." Nothing in any of her posts comes even close to suggesting. I'm disappointed you had to take it there.


View PostCelineRose2008, on Jun 11 2008, 02:52 PM, said:

ok im over this i wish one of the would please remove this topic   :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm:  :hmm:


  :sofunny:  Why would they do away with this topic., it's politics and it's supposed to create a discussion of exactly what is is doing

CelineRose2008  has just made some remarks; never stating any facts about the remarks
Exactly, i dont know if she is a racist because she does not say anything about why Obama is not a good candiate; she just continues to slam him :angry2:   maybe it's because hes African American and  if so that's not right.

You cant slam someone for no reason or no facts. :nono:  :cry:  :angry2:
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Amen, Nmj---the Mccain supporters never state WHY they think he'd be good and what he'd bring to the table.  Some sound bitter because Hillary didn't make it, others think they'll get to go to Heaven.
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OMG!!! you guys!!! seriously!!!

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and if guys think Obama camp. is so innocent! read this article!

"Obama Team Leader Resigns in Bid to Quell Growing Furor"

http://www.nytimes.c...amp;oref=slogin

he is such a fraud!!!!! and now i wonder if we can win in this fall!!! we need Hillary back tho! Obama just have too much dirt!!!

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This is not about innocense.


Let's look at Mccain's views of women's health care:

- Against roew vs. wade
- Against free cancer screenings for women


Let's take a look at the "TOP 10 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN":

1. Immigration – He’s not just pro-open borders, he’s Senor Amnesty – co-sponsor of McCain-Kennedy, which would have legalized 15 million illegal aliens, allowed them to bring in tens of millions of their mooching relatives (including the elderly and infirm), given them credit for past Social Security contributions, etc. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector said McCain-Kennedy would have constituted the largest expansion of the welfare state in U.S. history (at an estimated cost of $2.6 trillion). A Republican who served with McNasty in the Senate said he was forever haranguing his GOP colleagues about being perceived as “xenophobes” for not supporting amnesty. At CPAC, he told conservatives he’s heard us. He’ll secure the borders first, then push amnesty – which, of course, will negate anything he does at the border. Build it (a suicidal welfare state that embraces alien intruders), and a fence won’t keep them out.

2. Multiculturalism – If his advocacy of open borders wasn’t enough, McCain has also opposed official English and supported bi-lingual education (two more issues where he’s out-of-step with the overwhelming majority of his countrymen). McCain even voted for an amendment that would have codified Clinton’s Executive Order 13166, requiring recipients of federal funding, like hospitals, to provide translation services in any language requested. (When it comes to pandering, cost is no object.) No wonder he’s a hero to LULAC (the separatist League of United Latin American Citizens), Geraldo Rivera and Juan Hernandez (his Hispanic outreach director, who says he’d like 7th. generation Mexican-Americans to think of themselves as Mexicans first). Look for President McCain to make Cinco de Mayo a national holiday, give his inaugural address in Arabic and light an annual Kwanza whatever on the White House lawn.

3. Enviro-Marxism – McCain’s supporters think he’s just the man to lead America in the War on Terrorism. What’s the principal weapon of terrorist states? Oil. What does McCain want to keep America from producing more of? Oil. In 2003, McCain was one of only 6 Republican senators to vote against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. For McCain, keeping America dependent on Middle Eastern oil is a small price to pay to make the caribou comfortable. He’s also the proud co-sponsor of McCain-Lieberman – a $660 billion monument to the myth of man-made global warming (an industry-killing cap on CO2 emissions), which would annihilate tens of thousands of American jobs and make us far less competitive. By what twisted logic does open borders, crippling U.S. industry and energy dependence equal national security?

4. Class Warfare – In the recent debate at the Reagan Library, McCain called Romney a “manager for profits” (would he prefer a businessman who managed for losses?) who has “laid people off” – thus demonstrating how little the Senator understands the market economy. Jobs aren’t permanent — except for those who’ve served in the Senate for 21 years — and sometimes they have to disappear so others can be created. In 2001, McCain was one of only two Republican Senators to vote against the Bush tax cuts. In 2003, he was one of only three. Now, he says it’s because there weren’t matching spending cuts. Then he called them “tax cuts for the rich.” This comes from a man who never held a private-sector job and made his money the old-fashioned way – by marrying an heiress whose father subsidized his early campaigns.

5. Abortion – McCain’s vaunted pro-life voting record reflects the views of his Arizona constituents more than any real commitment. He supports subsidies for embryonic stem-cell research. In 2000, he told the San Francisco Examiner that “certainly in the short term, even in the long-term I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” (He later reversed himself under pro-life pressure.) Most critics view McCain-Feingold as an assault on the First Amendment, which it certainly is. It’s also one of the most destructive anti-life measures ever enacted by Congress. Under this so-called Campaign Finance Reform, a pro-life group can’t run ads criticizing the record of a pro-abortion legislator within 60 days of a general election or 30 days of a primary. Needless to say, there’s no similar gag-rule for McCain’s buddies in the mainstream media. Elsewhere on the family-values front, McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment. He says it’s because he wants states to decide the definition of marriage (the only instance in which he’s on record favoring federalism), which is the same as saying he wants activist judges to decide.

6. Judicial Nominations – Though McCain denies it, columnist Robert Novak swears the frontrunner told him prior to confirmation of Justice Samuel Alito that the nominee was too conservative, and that he preferred those who “didn’t wear their conservatism on their sleeve” (like Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy?). McCain was also part of the Gang of 14 which prevented a rules change that would have stopped unconstitutional filibusters on judicial nominations. Former New Hampshire Senator Warren Rudman was responsible for the Supreme Court nomination of David Souter — the most disastrous Republican appointment since Earl Warren. (The play was Rudman to then-Chief of Staff John Sununu to Bush Sr.) Rudman has a prominent role in McCain’s campaign. Rudman could be President McCain’s Attorney General, giving him more say on judicial nominations than anyone other than the president. In his 1996 book, Rudman wrote that Christian conservatives include in their ranks “enough anti-abortion zealots, would-be censors, homophobes, bigots and latter-day Elmer Gantrys to discredit any party that is unwise enough” to align itself with them. With Warren Rudman at his side, it’s anyone’s guess whether McCain’s Supreme Court picks would be appreciably better than Clinton’s or Obama’s.

7. War on Terrorism – We’ve already noted McCain’s support for energy dependence and his crusade for open borders. (Besides all of the rapists, drug-dealers and gang members coming across our Southern border, terrorists are also infiltrating the United States due to the de facto surrender of national sovereignty.) McCain wants to close Guantanamo and give terrorists the same rights as enemy combatants. He opposes tough interrogation techniques that leave no scars, but have elicited the intelligence that has saved American lives. (Personally, I’d use thumbscrews and the iron maiden on this scum.) A McCain anti-terrorism policy is more likely to be shaped by his friends at the ACLU and The New York Times than by the Center for Security Policy.

8. McPsycho – McCain is famous for going postal on his Republican colleagues — dropping the F-word, calling them f—ing idiots and worse. His dangerous inability to control his temper comes from a God-complex and an ingrained contempt for other human beings. One of his colleagues commented, “I don’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.” Given his mental state, McCain could end up nuking Terre Haute instead of Tehran.

9. Reaching Across the Aisle – This is media-speak for a Republican sell-out who conspires with the left. McCain doesn’t reach across the aisle – he leaps. Former Senator Rick Santorum discloses: “The bottom line is that I served 12 years with him (McCain), 6 years in the United States Senate as a leader, one of the leaders of the Senate – the number-3 leader – who had the responsibility of trying to put together the conservative agenda, and at almost every turn on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side.” Republican presidents who are unsure of themselves too often try to placate the other party. For McCain, working with the left is his natural inclination. He’ll turn to the Kennedys, Feingolds and Liebermans not as a last resort, but as a first.

10. Rally or Roll-Over — If a Democrat takes the oath of office next January, Congressional Republicans will find their principles again. From 1993 to 1995, without a majority in either House, Republicans fought Bill Clinton to a legislative standstill. They went on to win the House and Senate in the 1994 election — for the first time in 40 years – and to hold both for a decade. If McCain is elected, it will be roll-over time for Congressional Republicans – on taxes, regulation, environmentalism, speech-suppression, internationalism, multiculturalism, civil liberties for terrorists and open-borders. (When it comes to arm-twisting, Captain Queeg would make Bush look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.) This time, instead of losing power for a few years, the party could be permanently discredited.

Ultimately, all of this is academic. McCain’s chances of becoming the next president are none – and none. Since 1964, Republicans have won 7 of 10 presidential elections. They lost in 1976, 1992 and 1996. Each time, the party was saddled with a standard-bearer – Ford, Bush ’41, Dole – that a large part of the base couldn’t stand.
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i think the media is so not fair, every time hillary says sth or her camp. says sth, all the newspapers, tv news just says "oh she is a racist", i think america is just threatened by powerful woman!

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Isn't it about time that the United States loses their racism?  I'd like to think so.
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Alex Incognito and I are the only ones that state why we like Obama and support our answers as to why.

and The McCain supporters are just full of it...Have the Last 8 years been ideal for Americans? Because if McCain is elected where headed for at least 4 years of the same crap. without any plans for the future.
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Edited by Nmj, 11 June 2008 - 04:26 PM.


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SQCPC, like i said in my very first post on page 1. I was a huge Hillary Clinton supporter, but the fact of the matter is, she's out, DONE.

We cant hold anything over Obama b/c he beat her.
All we can do is try and elect someone who is AT LEAST willing to try and solve our problems instead of saying where we are at now, is the right place.

McCain supporters have never said why he is all that?

That fact of the matter is YES hillary was a great candiate and I would have voted for her had she won the nomination, but she didnt so the next thing i look at is who has the issues i need more , OBAMA and CLINTON are so much alike; so her supporters need to get over that fact she lost and move on to Obama becasue he is the most like her. McCain is the exact opposite ...if she said it was day he would say it's night.....
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To be quick and to the point I'm voting for Obama (so far).  Things can change - for the good and for the bad.  If the election were to be held today my vote would go to Barack.

Having said that those of you who are Clinton supports can still vote for her even if she isn't on the "ticket."  You can always write her name in.  She probably won't win that way, but it is an option.

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View PostAlex_Incognito, on Jun 11 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

Wow. People really haven't learned from the last 8 years. It's always been he democrats that help to get the "average" Joe back on track after the Republicans burry it deeper and deeper.

Not one candidate can up and stop the war, Mccain will be in it until as long as possible if he has is way. If you look back in history THERE WAS NEVER A WAR THAT HE WASN'T FOR!!!! NEVER! VIETNAM...WAS THAT NECISSARY? NO! WAS HE FOR IT? YOU BET!

Hillary is no longer an option. We have to get over that and not be bitter about it. It's all a game, a very important game.
Do you really think Obama is going to be able to "fix" the war issue. That's crazy. He can't even keep his story straight.
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View PostNmj, on Jun 11 2008, 01:17 PM, said:

You know what Alex I cant agree with you more

PrincessJen is just mad that Hillary lost; hey princessjen look at the very first post i started in this thread i was a huge hillary supporter but McCain is a big pack of Sh*t.

He only cares about war, he was beaten and went crazy; yet you think he can run this country. McCain will lose this November if there is any hope for our country.
-Nmj

Oh really? Mccain and Hillary are very close friends. He was the only person to give her a warm welcome in the senate. P.S. Hillary hasn't lost. There is NO official nominee until the convention and Hillary's name will be on the voting ballot for the superdelegates. People think that Clinton supporters who aren't going to support Obama are just bitter. But we actually respect John Mccain and at least we know where he stands. He has way more experience then Obama and Obama is all talk and no action.

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View PostPrincesseJen, on Jun 11 2008, 06:28 AM, said:

View PostAlex_Incognito, on Jun 10 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Lady, I'm from the Chicago area so don't call us sleezy. Not cool.
All policians are full of themselves and don't do everything they say.

I think we're in need of MORE than gay rights. That's not important in this election, let's get the economy back in bounds.

What is so good about Mccain? Follow Hillary's advice and go with Obama.

Don't let this election turn out like the last two, completely embarassing.


First of all sleazy Chicago politics is not an orginial statement form me. Many people say so. Even Michelle Obama says it's the worse kind of politics. Second, Obama isn't going to do a damn thing for the economy. He wants to raise taxes during a recession. YOU CAN'T DO THAT! People don't understand how much of a poor grasp Obama actually has on the issues. He doesn't get it. Three, Hillary didn't give advice to go with Obama. She said "support" not vote. She KNOWS many of her supporters will NOT vote for him. Just as she was giving her suspenion speech they were approving anti-Obama comments from her supporters on her website. Showing how resistant her supporters are to him. People are so blinded by Obama's rhetoric they can't see Mccain is the lesser of two evils. They try to compare Mccain to Bush but it's the other way around. Bush was the inexperienced candidate just like Obama and the media tried to sell him to us. The same way the media is trying to sell Obama to us today. We're not falling for it. And we're not falling for this notion that we HAVE to fall in line with Obama just because he goes by Democrat. This primary season has opened our eyes to the fact the Democrats are no better then Republcians. They just do a better job at hidding they're manipulative ways with a mask of equality. And let us not forget that in 2004 John Mccain was John Kerry's first consideration for VP when he was running for President. The fact still remains that Obama is a far left radical wacko who is not a good middle ground for anyone while Mccain is more moderate. Believe me, I did not come into this primary season thinking I would defend a Republican. That was out of the question. But the very idea of Obama being President is frightening.


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I'm sorry i cant stop laughing...your views are just so crazy.

Jen, look at the issues :hmm: compare Obama to Clinton and then compare McCain to Clinton
who are more alike based on the issues they stand for...Obama and Clinton thats for sure. A ture Hillary supporter would support Obama over McCain.

:nono: I dont know if your racist :evil: or what b/c what your saying makes about absoluty no SENSE
-Nmj
Hahahahaha!!! Now I KNOW your really just an Obama supporter! Only an Obama supporter would say things "Hillary supporters WOULD support Obama" and "I don't know if your racist". Clinton supporters don't fall for that BS and they're not racist like the Obama supporters and the media claim. Anytime anyone says anything negative about Obama they automatically call them a racist. It's to mask the fact that Obama is unfit to be commander and chief and the color of his skin has nothing to do with. If they're was anyting racial in not voting for him it has less to do with his skin and more to do with the fact he has been going to a black theology church for 20 years being taught to hate white people. Please pardon the white folks for seeing that as a bit of an issue. :rolleyes: The fact is I have been a Clinton supporter since she announced she was running and I have talking to THOUSANDS of supporters only who share the same views. We aren't falling for this "you have to vote for Obama because he's a democrat" bs. We're not going to back a party that didn't have our back. They don't care about the voices of they're main voters. They allowed the liberal media to endlessly attack Hillary while making Obama look like a saint. Dean, Pelosi and others tried to push out the best candidate for the job. Hillary. And what I say does make perfect sense. Did you know all of Obama's communistic/terrorist connections acutally wouldn't give him clearance to the US government? The man has been feed radical thinking practically since birth. The USA Survival News had a conference just on Obama's connections. This is 1 of 8 videos on it. NOBAMA!!

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Just incase you need more proof of how a lot of Clinton supporters feel, here are some Clinton supporter created websites.Please note there are hundreds of other sites like these.

http://www.pumaparty.com/

http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

http://www.TakeBackDemocrats.org

http://www.ObamaAlternatives.org

http://www.HRCSupportersForMcCain.org

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See Again there you go ...

I always liked Hillary, but Obama is the next best thing
McCain is a big load of crap....that says we have NO problems

And don't believe everything you read about Obama...go by facts no opinions OK.....

Alot of people just like you are just mad and BITTER that Hillary did'nt make the ticket and are willing to vote for someone that goes against EVERYTHING hillary stood for...LOOK at the facts and then see who stands on the closest to Hillary; I mean i can tell by your sig that crazy for CLINTON and i voted for her in the primary  but it's time to suck it up and move on with it.
DO you want change or DO you want four more years of crap?? up to you!
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Wow, your wasted votes will make this country stay in Hell, and go deeper and deeper.

Once again, you didn't post ANY facts.

Obama will take the steps to get us OUT of the war.
Mccain will keep us in this one and then knock on the door of Iran.
Plus you "white folks" comment was uncalled for.

I won't listen to people who cannot debate speak nonsense.
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I agree with Alex, again and again NO FACTS;
i hate to keep bringing it up But I think your a racist or a Republican (Thats Like Hillary) because you just hate this man for NO REASON no facts ever are represented just so much crap.
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Never Any Facts
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I vote for none of the above. Hilary Clinton should put herself on a ballot as an independent candidate. She even might win with the popular vote.
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i wanted HC too but she done maybe after Obama wins she will win later on

Everyone knows she gonna run again
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arg...I was totally 100% pro Hilary and now..pff!

I can't stand Obama and don't even get me started on McCain.

At this point I'm not for either candidate, I'll have to wait and see as the race continues I might just not vote for either.
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OMG!!!!! anyone watching msnbc now? Tim Russert just died!!!!!!! Gee!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so sad, he is such an awesome journalist, and i love love love Meet the Press!!!!

OMG~~~~~~ im still in shock!!!!!!

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I dont live in america, but i would vote for Barack Obama if I did. This is because I feel that he offers a refreshing change to what is already happening. The wars are not right and they need to be stopped immediately.
The economy is going down and the oil prices, well, so very frightening. Things have to change and they wont if you leave the same party in, as they all stand for the same thing. :shrug:
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Well Said OBAMA seems very popular among non-americans
Maybe thats because he is willing to end two Pointless wars...Any Opinions McCain Supporters?
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Tim Russert Dies is such sad news...but back on topic

I Like the results in this forum of Barack Obama winning

Senator Barack Obama [ 26 ]   [83.87%]
Senator John McCain [ 5 ]   [16.13%]

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The Democratic Party is being HIJACKED BY George Soros!!





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