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[scorp82]

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 06:28 PM, said:

As a sidenote: we dont know if Obama is will FIX our problems ; but atleast he is willing to try,  McCain believes what track we are on right now is the right one with two wars, energy crisis (gas sky high), and no jobs.

-Nmj

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 06:45 PM, said:

This topic is getting more and more interesting
I'm praying for a Obama-Clinton Ticket
-Nmj

I agree with your statements.  First and foremost, I consider myself to be a Democrat.  I must say that I am a Hillary supporter.  However, as you state, even though Obama is no guarantee that our problems will be fixed, Obama is indeed willing to try.

Besides, after 8 years of a Republican administration that has contributed to all of our existing problems, it is time for a change.  Although I think McCain is a likeable and apparently sensible individual, I do not agree with his war strategy.  Though the troops cannot be removed all at once from Iraq, McCain's stance on staying there as long as it takes is completely inane and absurd.  Additionally, the "war" on Iraq is pointless and we have no reason for being there.  The only ones benefitted from this war are that faction of peaceful Iraqis who can now attempt to live a new life away from the repression of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Aside from the nation as a whole, Jeb Bush, George W's brother, who used to be governor of Florida, also did nothing for the state of Florida... But that's neither here nor there.

Bottom line is:  We need change.  Even if McCain is president and does something to alleviate the economy, those efforts will be futile.  All the money used to fund the economy will be utilized for that purpose.  Anyone who has some sense knows that historically in times of war, economic prosperity at home declines.  Gas prices are ridiculous.  Food prices are starting to greatly rise due to inflation.  The job market is absolutely terrible.  Companies are cutting back severely and many jobs are being eliminated or people are being laid off.  Many people are losing their homes as well.  Even though there have always been times of prosperity and economic decline, many people of older generations are saying that this is far the worst era this country has experienced. And I am assuming it is safe to say that this is the most difficult era since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

We need to stop focusing so much on what's going outside and truly focus on our needs and hopefully the next president will be able to take our country back.

[Nmj]

Well, I cant agree with you more!!!

I Feel that this is the time to start picking up the peices of a failed policy of Bush and try to rebuild and make the USA a better place to be, to be well liked worldwide, end the war. and take our place as a nation.
-Nmj

[sgcpc]

i couldn't agree with you guys more! We need to end the war, and bring our troops back; we need to restore our mid-class, and i don't think McCain is ready! And according to his speech, he agrees with the war, and more importantly he thinks we are on the right track, but are are not! We need change, and as HIllary, thats why we need to vote for Obama!

I really really hope the dream ticket can be true! and I wish democrats can lead our country for the next 8 years!

God bless us, god bless america!

[CelineRose2008]

i dont care that im new here i think you have way to much time on your hands     

[PrincesseJen]

Please people do your homework on Obama before you even think about voting for him. He was SELECTED a long time ago by the elitists of the Democratic party to be THEY'RE candidate. Obama is a sexist pig and has manipulated the system to try and STEAL this nomination. He got unfairly rewarded greater for his primary wins and he has countless voter fraud allegations against his campaign in just about every caucaus plus he was buying superdelegates. He is a radical too far to the left marxist! I will not be forced to vote for him just because he goes by the name democrat. The DNC has abandon they're main supporters. For those of you who are gay on this forum, he doesn't give a damn about you. He has thrown gay issues under the bus many times in this campaign. Hillary has received more votes from registered democrats yet they still want him to be the nominee. Thankfully Hillary has left a window of opportunity open. She has not conceded only suspended her campaign which means she keeps her delegates, the ablity to receive donations which makes her still a candidate that the superdelegates can vote for at the convention in Devner. Obama has NOT won the nomination. There is no official nominee until the convention. Even Mccain is still only the presumptive nominee and because he got the Republican magic number with only PLEDGED delegates. Neither Hillary nor Obama reached the magic number with only pledged delegates it is the superdelegates that put him over and they can change they're mind at any time. The Republicans have so much info on Obama that the media has failed to report and once the Michelle Obama "Whitey" rant tape is exposed Obama is done. If Obama becomes President it will be a communistic white suppresion dictatorship. He has already taken over the democratic party imagine what he'll do as president. Clinton supporters will be protesting in Denver at the convention for the person who should be commander and chief. Hillary! NOBAMA!!!

[PrincesseJen]

I see some of you are blinded by this notion that if Obama is president he will actually end the war and such. He won't. He's an inexperienced rookie with no real accomplishments to his name. He has no sound way of getting out of Iraq, he doesn't have a universal healthcare plan and he doesn't have a good grasp on the issues. He wants to raise taxes during a recession, has plans that would hurt small businesses and he wants to invite terrorists over to the white house for tea and crumpets without preconditions. I hate to deminish the delusion but Obama can't get it done and he doesn't have a record of doing anything. He is all rhetoric.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 10 June 2008 - 12:40 PM.

[sgcpc]

haha Hi PrincesseJen, I am also a hillary supporter as you can see from my previous reply! I do wanna Hillary to win,a and i lover her very much, but mathematically i don't think she can win! and as she said in her very last speech, she asked us to vote for Obama, I know many of us don't believe in him, i didn't, and still not, but i just wanna say one thing,  do we really want to have another republican? do we really need a second GWB?

The only hope i have now, is the dream ticket, and also i hope she can strike back in 4 years time! God Bless Hillary!

[PrincesseJen]

sgcpc, on Jun 10 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

haha Hi PrincesseJen, I am also a hillary supporter as you can see from my previous reply! I do wanna Hillary to win,a and i lover her very much, but mathematically i don't think she can win! and as she said in her very last speech, she asked us to vote for Obama, I know many of us don't believe in him, i didn't, and still not, but i just wanna say one thing, do we really want to have another republican? do we really need a second GWB?

The only hope i have now, is the dream ticket, and also i hope she can strike back in 4 years time! God Bless Hillary!

Actually she asked us to "support" Obama not vote for him. In poltics one change of a word can make the difference. What she is doing is brillant really. She's letting Obama get in the spotlight getting heat from the Republicans and the media is finally doing stories on Obama they failed to cover months ago. Like how he won his senate seat by using petition manipulation to get the other democrats off the ballot aka Chicago politics. If Hillary doesn't get the nomination in the end I will more likely stay home. I have never voted for a republican in my life but I would most certainly feel safer if Mccain was President instead of Obama. They're are things about Obama that would scare people to death of the fact he could be president. Mccain isn't even liked by many far right republican. Him getting the nomination wasn't suppose to happen. I don't think Mccain would be another Bush. In fact Mccain voted for Gore. Also Mccain and Hillary are very close friends. He's not a bad guy because he goes by republican. I don't agree with him on everything but I respect him and the fact he served our country. But again, I would be more likely to stay home if Hillary is not apart of it. I still wouldn't vote for Obama if Hillary was on the ticket. I don't want him to be president. Also it's terrible to have Hillary play second fiddle to the rookie.

Anyway here are some interesting links for people who need to do research on Obama.

"What Do Gays & Lesbians Get for their Obama Cash?"

<a href="http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27118" target="_blank">http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27118</a>


Rabid Anti-Semitism on Obama’s Official 2008 Campaign Website



http://noquarterusa....paign-website/



Obama and his distant cousin Odinga, prime minister of Kenya (google they’re names and see all the info that comes up.



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvLV3d1Eq4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvLV3d1Eq4 </a>

Obama's Black Theology Church

Edited by PrincesseJen, 10 June 2008 - 01:22 PM.

[scorp82]

CelineRose2008, on Jun 10 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

i dont care that im new here i think you have way to much time on your hands     

A bit rude, are we?   As much as you are entitled to your own opinion, this thread was created for discussion of a specific topic.  As such, discussion has been taking place accordingly.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forum!  Most of us are very charming and nice here!

[scorp82]

PrincesseJen,

Thank you for stating your opinions!  I have indeed done some research on Obama.  Further, I cannot claim to say that Obama will resolve our problems or even end the war.

However, one main issue that I see is the economy.  This country is in great economic decline.  Lord can only hope things do not become worse.  Though the troops cannot be removed all at once immediately, I do not agree with McCain's strategy of continuing the war indefinitely.  As I have stated before, anyone knows that economic prosperity takes a plunge when a country is involved in war.  

This country needs change.  Though I am a Democrat and would love for Hillary to be president, such event will not happen.  And though I would not consider voting for the Republican party, I will be honest and say that I am split and I do not know if I will vote for McCain or Obama.  So, I am having that dilemma.

Perhaps we are facing the same predicament as we faced in 2004 with Bush and Kerry... Do we need to vote for the lesser of the two evils?  And I do mean that figuratively.  I am not saying that Obama or McCain are evil, but both have significant pros and cons attached to them.

Bottom line:  Bush has wreaked havoc for the past 8 years and we need a new direction.

[CelineRose2008]

thank god im not the only one who thinks that mccain should be the president

[bkitt]

KimboCosmo, on Jun 9 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Kim what are reading? there is no personal attack Intended there,

What's there is my opinion and I believe is what we need as a nation now, I'm a first time voter so I'm not a democrate nor republican; I'm for the best person to make our nation stable, well-liked, and war free. I'm not trying to brew trouble,
and as I said before everyone has their own right as Americans to vote for whom ever they want But I just hope they perfer change with Obama.

There was absolutly no attack  there Kim.
-Nmj

Ok, but when someone states who they like, then it's ok.  That's all I mean, honey.

Agree with that...everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it!  Being a Republican or Democrat makes no difference if you are doing what you think is best for the United States.  Personally, I loved the thought of having Hillary Clinton as our next U.S. President......but apparently others didn't agree with me.  

[sgcpc]

scorp82, on Jun 10 2008, 03:43 PM, said:

PrincesseJen,

Thank you for stating your opinions!  I have indeed done some research on Obama.  Further, I cannot claim to say that Obama will resolve our problems or even end the war.

However, one main issue that I see is the economy.  This country is in great economic decline.  Lord can only hope things do not become worse.  Though the troops cannot be removed all at once immediately, I do not agree with McCain's strategy of continuing the war indefinitely.  As I have stated before, anyone knows that economic prosperity takes a plunge when a country is involved in war.  

This country needs change.  Though I am a Democrat and would love for Hillary to be president, such event will not happen.  And though I would not consider voting for the Republican party, I will be honest and say that I am split and I do not know if I will vote for McCain or Obama.  So, I am having that dilemma.

Perhaps we are facing the same predicament as we faced in 2004 with Bush and Kerry... Do we need to vote for the lesser of the two evils?  And I do mean that figuratively.  I am not saying that Obama or McCain are evil, but both have significant pros and cons attached to them.

Bottom line:  Bush has wreaked havoc for the past 8 years and we need a new direction.

you are totally right! it is exactly like 2004, but i think the main difference now is, after 8 years of republican, do we need another one? can McCain really help to boost the economy? or can Obama? Can he really bring changes. Sometimes i just think politics is just politics, what change can he bring?

But as much as i love hillary and as much as i hope she could've won the "nomination", the reality is she is almost certain won't be able to have the nomination unless something major comes up (sometimes i do wish there will be a scandal video or sth hahaha). I still have doubts on Obama, and maybe McCain is a safer choice, i dunno! But the bottom line is we need to bring our troops back because the war is costing too much and our economy cant afford this war any more, after all we desperately need a new direction after 8 years of the Bush ministration.

[CelineRose2008]

i think everyone should go out and vote if you dont vote then your will not be heard     

[sgcpc]

bkitt, on Jun 10 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

KimboCosmo, on Jun 9 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Kim what are reading? there is no personal attack Intended there,

What's there is my opinion and I believe is what we need as a nation now, I'm a first time voter so I'm not a democrate nor republican; I'm for the best person to make our nation stable, well-liked, and war free. I'm not trying to brew trouble,
and as I said before everyone has their own right as Americans to vote for whom ever they want But I just hope they perfer change with Obama.

There was absolutly no attack  there Kim.
-Nmj

Ok, but when someone states who they like, then it's ok.  That's all I mean, honey.

Agree with that...everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it!  Being a Republican or Democrat makes no difference if you are doing what you think is best for the United States.  Personally, I loved the thought of having Hillary Clinton as our next U.S. President......but apparently others didn't agree with me.  

Well, I still don't understand why she "lost" the race! Is it because american nowadays just sit hope and do whatever Oprah tells them to do, or is it because she is a woman? I so don't understand.

For me personally, i think she has the best health plan among all the candidate, and more importantly she has Bill! Do we still remember the golden age! When Bill was in the white house, the economy was doing so well, and there was no war, everyone loves each other! America was a quality country!

8 years of GWB!!!! Seriously, he really really belong to hell! OH...... i need to have some bear and calm down now!!

[PrincesseJen]

scorp82, on Jun 10 2008, 04:43 PM, said:

PrincesseJen,

Thank you for stating your opinions! I have indeed done some research on Obama. Further, I cannot claim to say that Obama will resolve our problems or even end the war.

However, one main issue that I see is the economy. This country is in great economic decline. Lord can only hope things do not become worse. Though the troops cannot be removed all at once immediately, I do not agree with McCain's strategy of continuing the war indefinitely. As I have stated before, anyone knows that economic prosperity takes a plunge when a country is involved in war.

This country needs change. Though I am a Democrat and would love for Hillary to be president, such event will not happen. And though I would not consider voting for the Republican party, I will be honest and say that I am split and I do not know if I will vote for McCain or Obama. So, I am having that dilemma.

Perhaps we are facing the same predicament as we faced in 2004 with Bush and Kerry... Do we need to vote for the lesser of the two evils? And I do mean that figuratively. I am not saying that Obama or McCain are evil, but both have significant pros and cons attached to them.

Bottom line: Bush has wreaked havoc for the past 8 years and we need a new direction.

Your totally right about the 2004 thing. The problem with Kerry was him being too liberal and out of touch with the middle class. So the moderate dems voted Repbulican. We are facing the same thing now. If Obama is the official nominee the GE map will look like 2004 all over again. The fact that dems would even consider voting republican this year just shows how weak of a candidate he is. The funny thing is superdelegates were created for this very reason. They were created in the 70's because of McGoverns 2nd landslide loss. He was again, too liberal and a bit of an elitist. So superdelegates were created to step in and veto that kind of candidate that would most likely never win a GE. In blaming Hillary for the division of the party the DNC is covering up the fact democrats have always been divided. That's why they don't win many elections. The elitist have they're way of manipulating the system to get they're candidate nominated and in turn they scare away half of voters in they're own party. The whole notion that Mccain is Bush 3rd term is just a slogan made up by the DNC so democrats won't vote for him. I still say I'd sleep better at night if Mccain was president instead of Obama.  This is a new scary piece of information that makes my skin crawl.

http://noquarterusa....o-our-children/

[PrincesseJen]

sgcpc, on Jun 10 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

bkitt, on Jun 10 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

KimboCosmo, on Jun 9 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Kim what are reading? there is no personal attack Intended there,

What's there is my opinion and I believe is what we need as a nation now, I'm a first time voter so I'm not a democrate nor republican; I'm for the best person to make our nation stable, well-liked, and war free. I'm not trying to brew trouble,
and as I said before everyone has their own right as Americans to vote for whom ever they want But I just hope they perfer change with Obama.

There was absolutly no attack there Kim.
-Nmj

Ok, but when someone states who they like, then it's ok. That's all I mean, honey.

Agree with that...everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it! Being a Republican or Democrat makes no difference if you are doing what you think is best for the United States. Personally, I loved the thought of having Hillary Clinton as our next U.S. President......but apparently others didn't agree with me.

Well, I still don't understand why she "lost" the race! Is it because american nowadays just sit hope and do whatever Oprah tells them to do, or is it because she is a woman? I so don't understand.

For me personally, i think she has the best health plan among all the candidate, and more importantly she has Bill! Do we still remember the golden age! When Bill was in the white house, the economy was doing so well, and there was no war, everyone loves each other! America was a quality country!

8 years of GWB!!!! Seriously, he really really belong to hell! OH...... i need to have some bear and calm down now!!

You should be happy to know that Oprah's ratings have gone way down. Women are boycotting her show.

[scorp82]

sgcpc, on Jun 10 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

bkitt, on Jun 10 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

KimboCosmo, on Jun 9 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Kim what are reading? there is no personal attack Intended there,

What's there is my opinion and I believe is what we need as a nation now, I'm a first time voter so I'm not a democrate nor republican; I'm for the best person to make our nation stable, well-liked, and war free. I'm not trying to brew trouble,
and as I said before everyone has their own right as Americans to vote for whom ever they want But I just hope they perfer change with Obama.

There was absolutly no attack  there Kim.
-Nmj

Ok, but when someone states who they like, then it's ok.  That's all I mean, honey.

Agree with that...everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it!  Being a Republican or Democrat makes no difference if you are doing what you think is best for the United States.  Personally, I loved the thought of having Hillary Clinton as our next U.S. President......but apparently others didn't agree with me.  

Well, I still don't understand why she "lost" the race! Is it because american nowadays just sit hope and do whatever Oprah tells them to do, or is it because she is a woman? I so don't understand.

For me personally, i think she has the best health plan among all the candidate, and more importantly she has Bill! Do we still remember the golden age! When Bill was in the white house, the economy was doing so well, and there was no war, everyone loves each other! America was a quality country!

8 years of GWB!!!! Seriously, he really really belong to hell! OH...... i need to have some bear and calm down now!!

I do not think Hillary lost the Democratic nomination simply because she was a woman or because Oprah supported Obama.  In fact, Hillary garnered so much support in this country.  I must say that I do think Hillary would make a great president.  When Hillary has stated a plan, for the most part she has always explained how she plans to make that plan come to reality... She at least shows that is getting prepared.  Besides, when she was first lady of Arkansas, she was involved in government, just as she was in the White House and when she was senator of New York.  On the other hand, Obama has stated he will bring about change but has not really explained how he will do it.

I think Obama gained more popularity than Hillary because people want change.  After 8 years of sheer decline, people are ready for prosperity once again... That does not mean that Hillary cannot contribute toward change.  Even though Hillary is popular, it just so happens that Obama happens to be an inspirational speaker.  Given that he is indeed a great orator and inspirational speaker,  he has greatly influenced people to think he will be the beacon of change.  Again, I am not saying Obama is not worthy, because I also believe he might do many good things, but just because a person is able to be inspirational and influence others does not mean he or she will bring about results.

So, Obama's ability to inspire and influence others through his "charm" is what led him to win the Democratic nomination.

Edited by scorp82, 10 June 2008 - 05:17 PM.

[scorp82]

PrincesseJen, on Jun 10 2008, 07:07 PM, said:

scorp82, on Jun 10 2008, 04:43 PM, said:

PrincesseJen,

Thank you for stating your opinions! I have indeed done some research on Obama. Further, I cannot claim to say that Obama will resolve our problems or even end the war.

However, one main issue that I see is the economy. This country is in great economic decline. Lord can only hope things do not become worse. Though the troops cannot be removed all at once immediately, I do not agree with McCain's strategy of continuing the war indefinitely. As I have stated before, anyone knows that economic prosperity takes a plunge when a country is involved in war.

This country needs change. Though I am a Democrat and would love for Hillary to be president, such event will not happen. And though I would not consider voting for the Republican party, I will be honest and say that I am split and I do not know if I will vote for McCain or Obama. So, I am having that dilemma.

Perhaps we are facing the same predicament as we faced in 2004 with Bush and Kerry... Do we need to vote for the lesser of the two evils? And I do mean that figuratively. I am not saying that Obama or McCain are evil, but both have significant pros and cons attached to them.

Bottom line: Bush has wreaked havoc for the past 8 years and we need a new direction.

Your totally right about the 2004 thing. The problem with Kerry was him being too liberal and out of touch with the middle class. So the moderate dems voted Repbulican. We are facing the same thing now. If Obama is the official nominee the GE map will look like 2004 all over again. The fact that dems would even consider voting republican this year just shows how weak of a candidate he is. The funny thing is superdelegates were created for this very reason. They were created in the 70's because of McGoverns 2nd landslide loss. He was again, too liberal and a bit of an elitist. So superdelegates were created to step in and veto that kind of candidate that would most likely never win a GE. In blaming Hillary for the division of the party the DNC is covering up the fact democrats have always been divided. That's why they don't win many elections. The elitist have they're way of manipulating the system to get they're candidate nominated and in turn they scare away half of voters in they're own party. The whole notion that Mccain is Bush 3rd term is just a slogan made up by the DNC so democrats won't vote for him. I still say I'd sleep better at night if Mccain was president instead of Obama.  This is a new scary piece of information that makes my skin crawl.

http://noquarterusa....o-our-children/

PrincesseJen,

Then again, just as many Democrats are willing to vote for a moderate Republican like McCain, many Republicans feel that McCain is not conservative enough and are having doubts as if they should vote for him as well!

[Alex_Incognito]

I am in absolute shock that people are thinking about voting for McCain!  What in  the hell!   Do you want 4 more years of economic crap----look at the depression we are in right now.  It is awful.  College is more expensive than ever, students can't even get loans anymore.  

Gay rights?  You won't get any with him.

I, myself, supported Hillary, but Obama is for sure the next best thing, and our only chance to get the United States out of the dark ages and back into the way it was during the Bill Clinton administration. The guy loves sex, but what other man doesn't?  If people focus on that, that's absolutely rediculous.

There has NEVER been a war that Mccain didn't support.  You like war, vote for Mccain.
Many people vote conservative for religious purposes.  Look at Europe, they've gone against putting church and state together and look how strong they are now.  It's because they can keep both things in their place, without one making a difference over the other.  That's the way it should be here.

So if you want to stay away from war and get away from this depression that we're going through, vote for Obama.

Like war, injustice, and having our dollar be at the bottom of the scale, vote for Mccain.

It's the facts, people.  Do what is right.

Edited by Alex_Incognito, 10 June 2008 - 05:41 PM.

[Nmj]

i agree

[PrincesseJen]

Alex_Incognito, on Jun 10 2008, 07:40 PM, said:

I am in absolute shock that people are thinking about voting for McCain! What in the hell! Do you want 4 more years of economic crap----look at the depression we are in right now. It is awful. College is more expensive than ever, students can't even get loans anymore.

Gay rights? You won't get any with him.

I, myself, supported Hillary, but Obama is for sure the next best thing, and our only chance to get the United States out of the dark ages and back into the way it was during the Bill Clinton administration. The guy loves sex, but what other man doesn't? If people focus on that, that's absolutely rediculous.

There has NEVER been a war that Mccain didn't support. You like war, vote for Mccain.
Many people vote conservative for religious purposes. Look at Europe, they've gone against putting church and state together and look how strong they are now. It's because they can keep both things in their place, without one making a difference over the other. That's the way it should be here.

So if you want to stay away from war and get away from this depression that we're going through, vote for Obama.

Like war, injustice, and having our dollar be at the bottom of the scale, vote for Mccain.

It's the facts, people. Do what is right.

Sorry but I could NEVER vote for Obama. He's a fraud. The "new" politics thing was BS. He is a sleazy Chicago politican but tries to cover that up with innocence. At least I know were Mccain really stands.  And gay rights?? Obama hasn't and won't do anything for the gay community.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 10 June 2008 - 06:31 PM.

[Alex_Incognito]

Lady, I'm from the Chicago area so don't call us sleezy.  Not cool.
All policians are full of themselves and don't do everything they say.

I think we're in need of MORE than gay rights.  That's not important in this election, let's get the economy back in bounds.

What is so good about Mccain?  Follow Hillary's advice and go with Obama.

Don't let this election turn out like the last two, completely embarassing.

[sgcpc]

scorp82, on Jun 10 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

sgcpc, on Jun 10 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

bkitt, on Jun 10 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

KimboCosmo, on Jun 9 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

Nmj, on Jun 9 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Kim what are reading? there is no personal attack Intended there,

What's there is my opinion and I believe is what we need as a nation now, I'm a first time voter so I'm not a democrate nor republican; I'm for the best person to make our nation stable, well-liked, and war free. I'm not trying to brew trouble,
and as I said before everyone has their own right as Americans to vote for whom ever they want But I just hope they perfer change with Obama.

There was absolutly no attack  there Kim.
-Nmj

Ok, but when someone states who they like, then it's ok.  That's all I mean, honey.

Agree with that...everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it!  Being a Republican or Democrat makes no difference if you are doing what you think is best for the United States.  Personally, I loved the thought of having Hillary Clinton as our next U.S. President......but apparently others didn't agree with me.  

Well, I still don't understand why she "lost" the race! Is it because american nowadays just sit hope and do whatever Oprah tells them to do, or is it because she is a woman? I so don't understand.

For me personally, i think she has the best health plan among all the candidate, and more importantly she has Bill! Do we still remember the golden age! When Bill was in the white house, the economy was doing so well, and there was no war, everyone loves each other! America was a quality country!

8 years of GWB!!!! Seriously, he really really belong to hell! OH...... i need to have some bear and calm down now!!

I do not think Hillary lost the Democratic nomination simply because she was a woman or because Oprah supported Obama.  In fact, Hillary garnered so much support in this country.  I must say that I do think Hillary would make a great president.  When Hillary has stated a plan, for the most part she has always explained how she plans to make that plan come to reality... She at least shows that is getting prepared.  Besides, when she was first lady of Arkansas, she was involved in government, just as she was in the White House and when she was senator of New York.  On the other hand, Obama has stated he will bring about change but has not really explained how he will do it.

I think Obama gained more popularity than Hillary because people want change.  After 8 years of sheer decline, people are ready for prosperity once again... That does not mean that Hillary cannot contribute toward change.  Even though Hillary is popular, it just so happens that Obama happens to be an inspirational speaker.  Given that he is indeed a great orator and inspirational speaker,  he has greatly influenced people to think he will be the beacon of change.  Again, I am not saying Obama is not worthy, because I also believe he might do many good things, but just because a person is able to be inspirational and influence others does not mean he or she will bring about results.

So, Obama's ability to inspire and influence others through his "charm" is what led him to win the Democratic nomination.

Totally, politics is just politics, i don't believe he can just simply change the way politic works in just short 4 years time! I believe in solutions! We need solutions, and that what Hillary can bring. But now, do I have a choice? No, i don't, i can either vote for GWB 3rd term, or someone who claims that he can change our country!

Which one do i choose? I don't know!

[PrincesseJen]

Alex_Incognito, on Jun 10 2008, 10:20 PM, said:

Lady, I'm from the Chicago area so don't call us sleezy. Not cool.
All policians are full of themselves and don't do everything they say.

I think we're in need of MORE than gay rights. That's not important in this election, let's get the economy back in bounds.

What is so good about Mccain? Follow Hillary's advice and go with Obama.

Don't let this election turn out like the last two, completely embarassing.

First of all sleazy Chicago politics is not an orginial statement form me. Many people say so. Even Michelle Obama says it's the worse kind of politics. Second, Obama isn't going to do a damn thing for the economy. He wants to raise taxes during a recession.  YOU CAN'T DO THAT! People don't understand how much of a poor grasp Obama actually has on the issues. He doesn't get it. Three, Hillary didn't give advice to go with Obama. She said "support" not vote. She KNOWS many of her supporters will NOT vote for him. Just as she was giving her suspenion speech they were approving anti-Obama comments from her supporters on her website. Showing how resistant her supporters are to him. People are so blinded by Obama's rhetoric they can't see Mccain is the lesser of two evils. They try to compare Mccain to Bush but it's the other way around. Bush was the inexperienced candidate just like Obama and the media tried to sell him to us. The same way the media is trying to sell Obama to us today. We're not falling for it. And we're not falling for this notion that we HAVE to fall in line with Obama just because he goes by Democrat. This primary season has opened our eyes to the fact the Democrats are no better then Republcians. They just do a better job at hidding they're manipulative ways with a mask of equality. And let us not forget that in 2004 John Mccain was John Kerry's first consideration for VP when he was running for President. The fact still remains that Obama is a far left radical wacko who is not a good middle ground for anyone while Mccain is more moderate. Believe me, I did not come into this primary season thinking I would defend a Republican. That was out of the question.  But the very idea of Obama being President is frightening.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 11 June 2008 - 04:33 AM.

[CelineRose2008]

i think obama is a big fat joke and i cant believe others here think he can stop the war
stop gas prices going up to make a change i dont think so           

[sgcpc]

haha american politics is a total joke! GWB is a joke, republican is a joke, Hillary not wining is the biggest joke!

[Alex_Incognito]

Wow.  People really haven't learned from the last 8 years.  It's always been he democrats that help to get the "average" Joe back on track after the Republicans burry it deeper and deeper.

Not one candidate can up and stop the war, Mccain will be in it until as long as possible if he has is way.  If you look back in history THERE WAS NEVER A WAR THAT HE WASN'T FOR!!!!  NEVER!  VIETNAM...WAS THAT NECISSARY?  NO!  WAS HE FOR IT?  YOU BET!

Hillary is no longer an option.  We have to get over that and not be bitter about it.  It's all a game, a very important game.

Edited by Alex_Incognito, 11 June 2008 - 09:13 AM.

[Nmj]

You know what Alex I cant agree with you more

PrincessJen is just mad that Hillary lost; hey princessjen look at the very first post i started in this thread i was a huge hillary supporter but McCain is a big pack of Sh*t.

He only cares about war, he was beaten and went crazy; yet you think he can run this country. McCain will lose this November if there is any hope for our country.
-Nmj

[Nmj]

And Celinerose says all these facts about McCain with nothing to support them.

I'm not sure if people are just racist, Conservative, or what
because anyone who thinks that GWB policys are good are a bit dilusional.
So for all the McCain/ Bush supporters here are a few questions:

So the war made us more safe?
So Gas is worth paying?
So our countrys future is better off now after 8 years of crap?
So the usa is beter off HATED worldwide?

you want more of that bull sh*t. THATS CRAZY.
-Nmj