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[Nmj]

You Dodged my questions AGAIN.... All you do is speak CRAP . If there was beans to spill BELIEVE ME they would have exposed it right then.

Try answering our question when we ask you them instead of dodging them and putting a link to a stupid website.

If Your wish will come true Jen and the future of our country will go down hill fast .
GAS PRICES UP
WAR 100 YRS
HEALTH CARE WORSENS
ECONEMY ALL TIME LOW
HATED AROUND THE WORLD
SOCIAL SECURITY GONE

But you VOTE for Mccain if thats what up want Jen

[Nmj]

McCains VP Chice More of the same

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Did you watch Sarah Palin's speech last night? The speech told us a lot about her.

It told us that she can distort the facts and deliver mean-spirited zingers with the best of them. It told us that if Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter ever need a stand-in, she'd be a great pick.

It told us that she can be condescending and dismissive of the real work Barack Obama did helping real people on the South Side of Chicago. It told us that she can uphold the long Republican tradition of lying about Democratic tax cuts—even though Obama's plan would give Americans a bigger break than McCain's.

But the speech—written by one of President Bush's speechwriters—didn't tell us the truth about Sarah Palin's extremist positions. And the more that people know her far-right views, the less they support her. (There's a partial list below.)

One of the best ways to get the word out about Palin is to write a letter to the editor of your local paper. Today's a great day to write because this is very relevant—it just happened last night. Plus, our online tool makes it easy and has great tips. Please take a few minutes to write a quick letter to the editor now:

http://pol.moveon.or...a...pwQ7O4x&t=3
Palin's speech and the reaction to it also made clear why McCain picked her. It wasn't a decision about who's most qualified to serve a heart-beat away from the presidency—it was a political decision about pleasing the far-right base of the Republican party.

Writing a letter to your local paper is a great way to make sure voters understand that. The opinion pages are the most widely-read pages of the newspaper. Write today, and your letter's a lot more likely to get published because it's so topical. It'll help sway the editorial board too.

Here are a bunch of points you might want to include in your letter:

Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq." 1, 2
Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'" 3
Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.4
Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming. Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would attribute it to being manmade." 5
Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP. 6
Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest. 7
Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches. 8
As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the mayor." 9
She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it). Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere. But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." 10
The plain fact of the matter is that Sarah Palin did a bang-up job delivering a Karl Rove-style political attack speech last night. That makes her a skilled politician but it doesn't make her views any more palatable for voters. Americans don't really want another far-right, anti-science ideologue in the White House.


Please help get the word out about where Sarah Palin really stands on the issues.

[PrincesseJen]

Nmj, on Sep 4 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

You Dodged my questions AGAIN.... All you do is speak CRAP . If there was beans to spill BELIEVE ME they would have exposed it right then.

Try answering our question when we ask you them instead of dodging them and putting a link to a stupid website.

If Your wish will come true Jen and the future of our country will go down hill fast .
GAS PRICES UP
WAR 100 YRS
HEALTH CARE WORSENS
ECONEMY ALL TIME LOW
HATED AROUND THE WORLD
SOCIAL SECURITY GONE

But you VOTE for Mccain if thats what up want Jen

I didn't dodge anthing. I put country FIRST before party. That's why I WON'T vote for Obama. I have no faith that he will do any of those things you listed. We will STILL have high gas prices, no universal heathcare (he never had a plan for that anyway), he'll give us higher taxes even if we're in a recession, with his plans small businesses will suffer and he has no solid plans for socail security. He takes his plans straight from the DNC platform, not adding much to them. Also if Mccain is president we will NOT have a war for 100 years. McCain already won the appreciation of the Georgian President for his comments on the situation. Obama's popularity around the world is highly overrated especially by his adoring media. I am constantly surprised by the inability of those who support him to retain any negative criticism of Obama. It's like they can't or won't register that kind of information when you try and explain he is not what he seems. He is not the one we have been waiting for. He is not going to "heal" the world, as his wife puts it. I don't support him now for the same reasons I didn't support him in the primary season. I don't believe in him or his nonsense. I see right threw his salesman pitch. He is a fraud. Though no matter what I say you're still going to beat the dead horse with the same tactic of trying to fear monger Democrats with that "But if McCain becomes president....blah blah blah. America has survived a civil war, 2 world wars, a recession and 8 years of George Bush. We can survive McCain, Obama would just be an inexperienced disaster. Don't blame me, blame the Democratic powerhouses for push in a terrible candidate. They wanted him so now THEY'RE stuck with him. For me and millions of other Clinton supporters there is nothing anyone (including Hillary) can say or do to make us vote for Obama.

P.S.
Oh and there is plenty to spill on Obama. The press withholds information. Like CNN conveniently waiting until after the primaries to talk about how Obama got his senate seat. The Obama camp got caught the last time when they made a big deal out of the Kennedy comment Hillary made trying to say she was implying Obama would be killed. They were sending e-mails to the media telling them how they wanted to play the story.  

P.S.S

A comparison of accomplishments of Palin and Obama.

http://www.audacityo...s-barack-obama/

Again, he's on TOP of the ticket.

[Love,]

Sarah Palin has one of the most annoying voices in the world. (Is she the female version of Bush?)

But that's not why I don't like her.

Her speech is not worthy of having any historic status.

It is bland, boring, repetitive, rambling, uninspiring.

She attacks Obama without ground. She talks endlessly about her family, about herself, and about McCain.

She's talking about serving America when she's been living in and leading a state that is miles upon miles from the Continental United States. Alaska is quite self-sufficient and self-serving.

Good for her for having her experience in negotiating oil deals, but there is so much more to life than gas.
She talks about building power plants, more pipelines....ummm aren't these things already mentioned by Barack and company, just like the outsourcing, and yada yada... Looks like things that will help the big boys, over and over.

I just wonder if she thinks that the Middle Class is "someone who makes less than $5 million."

And her attack of Obama of having written two memoirs, but has not authored any laws nor reforms. Then, she talks about how speaks about war, but not say the word "Victory" unless it's about his campaign. Then, she mocks his columns saying that after the lights turn off and the crowd goes away, the styrofoam, rented columns go back to where they came from, "What exactly is our opponent's plan... after he finishes turning back the water and healing the planet?"

I can give you an answer, Palin:  Hey, you fouled-mouth, groundless woman: Obama governed his constituents to the best of his ability. The f***ing war is no f***ing victory, so how the hell does need to say the damn word! And to mock Obama in his historic presence, presentation and speech is quite shameful, since all the RNC could do was put up a picture of the flag waving the careless breeze. Almost reminds me of Palin watching the polar bears grooming each other, while sipping on hot tea, in her warm and cozy Alaskan mansion...

I'm not even done with watching her entire speech yet, and I think I'll just listen to it tomorrow... or whenever I'm bored (which rarely happens.. unless I'm listening to her speak...)

P.S. Where the HELL are all the Latinos, Asians, African-Americans, and other people of color? No one in the audience looks like they have any ethnic background, whatsoever! It's like a giant polarbearville!

Edited by Love,, 05 September 2008 - 07:10 AM.

[PrincesseJen]

Just Another bit of information everyone should be aware of. ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) is a completely corrupt organization that Obama worked for and has endorsed and funded his campaign.


Obama worked for Acorn -- Filed false FEC filings

http://www.pittsburg...n/s_584284.html

The ACORN Obama Knows

http://michellemalki...rn-obama-knows/

"Why Obama's "Community Organizer" Days Are a Joke

http://www.realclear..._organizer.html

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What deserves derision is "community organizing" that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon.

As I've reported previously, Obama's community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub "direct actions"); Obama supporters have recounted his role in organizing an ambush on a government planning meeting about a landfill project opposed by Chicago's minority lobbies.

With benefactors like Obama in office, ACORN has milked nearly four decades of government subsidies to prop up chapters that promote the welfare state and undermine the free market, as well as some that have been implicated in perpetuating illegal immigration and voter fraud.

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Last week, Milwaukee's top election official announced plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

Last month, a New Mexico TV station reported on the child rapists, drug offenders and forgery convicts on ACORN's payroll. In July, Pennsylvania investigators asked the public for help in locating a fugitive named Luis R. Torres-Serrano, who is accused "of submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registration forms he collected on behalf of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now to county election officials." Also in July, a massive, nearly $1 million embezzlement scheme by top ACORN officials was exposed.

ACORN's political arm endorsed Obama in February and has ramped up efforts to register voters across the country. In the meantime, completely ignored by the mainstream commentariat and clean-election crusaders, the Obama campaign admitted failing to report $800,000 in campaign payments to ACORN. They were disguised as payments to a front group called "Citizen Services, Inc." for "advance work."

Jim Terry, an official from the Consumer Rights League, a watchdog group that monitors ACORN, noted: "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. Now it looks like ACORN is using the same type of convoluted accounting scheme for Obama's political gain." With a wave of his magic wand, Obama amended his FEC forms to change the "advance work" to "get-out-the-vote" work.

Now, don't you dare challenge his commitment to following tax and election laws. And don't you even think of entertaining the possibility that The One exploited a nonprofit supposedly focused on helping low-income people for political gain.

He was just "organizing" his "community." Guffaw.

Obama- change you can get with intimidation

[LVCeline]

It amazes me how in the beginning everyone says Palin has no experience and now all of a sudden the Republicans have switched it around and makes it sound like she's more experienced than Obama now!  They will twist her "executive experience" and make it out to be more than it is.  Quite frankly, the Republicans need to ask themselves, if she had been running in the main election, would she have been the nominee for President?  There's absolutely no chance on earth.  She would have lost long ago to almost anyone else that was running such as Huckabee or Romney.  Why all of a sudden is she qualified enough to be Vice President, let alone President if something should happen.  


The only thing I noticed while watching the Republican Convention was that is was primarily just attack after attack on Obama.  There was hardly any mention of any specific plans.  Sarah Palin's speech was snippy and sarcastic and nasty and she didn't touch on any sort of plan or policy.  It lacked taste in my opinion.  

There is entirely much too focus on McCain's status as a P.O.W.  My god, does sitting in a prison cell qualify someone to lead a nation?  As McCain mentioned himself, there are far more people who had it worse and didn't even make it back home alive; why is McCain made out to be the greatest hero of our nation?  It happened 40 years ago, what he went through is not relevent to the problems our nation faces currently.  Nobody is questioning his dedication to our country, so there isn't a need to keep going on about what he went through.  The entire convention was mud slinging and fear mongering, as it always is with Republicans.  "If you don't vote for us then the nation will turn upside down and we will experience more terrorist attacks."  Bush did the same thing in the last election.  

Basically there isn't a need to argue about it.  The people that will vote for Obama are not going to change their minds, and the people voting for McCain aren't about to change their minds either.  It's the undecided they will focus on.  It's a matter of what you believe in.  My beliefs fall in line with Democrats typically.  I agree on most of the social issues, as well as their stance on the military and foreign policy so I will vote for Obama.  

I'm very anxious to see the debates.  Their differences will come out more when we can see them in the same room discussing their policies on the same issues.  I think Palin is going to get eaten alive by Joe Biden.  Obama will have a chance to better explain his policies when McCain is there beside him.

[Love,]

PrincesseJen, on Sep 5 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

Obama- change you can get with intimidation

You really believe in all this Propaganda?

Here's something to check out.
I posted a similar post (up there) in my MySpace. Someone just replied to my post in a MySpace Bulletin

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THEY SAID:
Maybe you shouldn't re-post ignorant offensive bulletins without doing your own research first. Maybe you should read "Obama Nation" the current New York Times best seller. Maybe realize that Palin was chosen because of her expertise in the area of energy.. not war, maybe realize that while Obama preeches "change" his voting history states the exact opposite, and he has fought to maintain political corruption within Chicago, maybe.. just maybe.. people should start doing their own research instead of just going along with whatever the mainstream media wants them to believe.

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I REPLIED
And calling me "ignorant" is not offending?

I heard about "Obama Nation." Regardless of the 600 footnotes that were claimed in defense of the mega thesis in which it is - Dr. Jerome Corsi, the author, seems to be a bit of a left-winged tabloid agent and deep-soaking researcher. Corsi himself uses articles from the mainstream media, underground media, and whatever he could lay his hands on. He's the author of many other books, including one against John Kerry, Mexico&USA, Iran... What's next Oprah?

And you, the reader, got his product - his book. And you used his book as your reference, so therefore, what you say is not really your research either, and it might not even be Corsi's either, since there his words are gathered from 600+ sources and glued together by his keen, writing talent.

I'm an open-minded person.
What I placed was an initial opinion of Palin and her narrow-mindedness.

P.S. you saw the reposting because I went in to change a typo and then put in an image... and MySpace is horrible since it does not allow me to go in and edit my bulletins.

:wink2:

Edited by Love,, 05 September 2008 - 11:20 AM.

[Love,]

LVCeline, on Sep 5 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

It amazes me how in the beginning everyone says Palin has no experience and now all of a sudden the Republicans have switched it around and makes it sound like she's more experienced than Obama now!  They will twist her "executive experience" and make it out to be more than it is.  Quite frankly, the Republicans need to ask themselves, if she had been running in the main election, would she have been the nominee for President?  There's absolutely no chance on earth.  She would have lost long ago to almost anyone else that was running such as Huckabee or Romney.  Why all of a sudden is she qualified enough to be Vice President, let alone President if something should happen.

I want to laugh. People will always compare. Because this, basically, is a competition. I mean, they even compared her to Hillary Clinton. Hillary has so much more experience than her, as Senator of NEW YORK, and serving as First Lady of America, and a personal advisor, right hand of a former president.

Of course the Republicans would switch it up and make her seem more experienced... they want their camp leaders to win. They will twist, turn, spin, trip and fall if they have to!

LVCeline, on Sep 5 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

The only thing I noticed while watching the Republican Convention was that is was primarily just attack after attack on Obama.  There was hardly any mention of any specific plans.  Sarah Palin's speech was snippy and sarcastic and nasty and she didn't touch on any sort of plan or policy.  It lacked taste in my opinion.

It was a joke. A BIG FAT JOKE. I had so many eye-brows raising moments during that speech. It was like going to a countyfair and having a mom embarass her children by trying to do standup jokes about chicken and eggs. She went on and on and on about familial affairs. And the pride she had in the names of her children... I don't even remember.. they were something like Apple, Peach, and Pear. Or something along that orchard. Okay, excuse me for over-joking. But truly, I just thought that she was a major rambler, and that she stretched a 5 minute speech into 40.

LVCeline, on Sep 5 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

There is entirely much too focus on McCain's status as a P.O.W.  My god, does sitting in a prison cell qualify someone to lead a nation?  As McCain mentioned himself, there are far more people who had it worse and didn't even make it back home alive; why is McCain made out to be the greatest hero of our nation?  It happened 40 years ago, what he went through is not relevent to the problems our nation faces currently.  Nobody is questioning his dedication to our country, so there isn't a need to keep going on about what he went through.  The entire convention was mud slinging and fear mongering, as it always is with Republicans.  "If you don't vote for us then the nation will turn upside down and we will experience more terrorist attacks."  Bush did the same thing in the last election.

Yeah, that's the only foundation that she really has to support McCain. For her to use his story of selflessness as a former prisoner-of-war is touching, but it does nothing for me because there are so many freaking people out there who are still "prisoners of this freaking war" and John McCain wants to continue this war until we get this so-called "Victory."  

LVCeline, on Sep 5 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

Basically there isn't a need to argue about it.  The people that will vote for Obama are not going to change their minds, and the people voting for McCain aren't about to change their minds either.  It's the undecided they will focus on.  It's a matter of what you believe in.  My beliefs fall in line with Democrats typically.  I agree on most of the social issues, as well as their stance on the military and foreign policy so I will vote for Obama.

Unfortunately, I agree. People have their minds set.
The red state will have their support for McCain, and the blue will have theirs for Obama. There are so many negative vibes and factors about McCain and his Palina, that I believe that in the future with Obama.

LVCeline, on Sep 5 2008, 10:10 AM, said:

I'm very anxious to see the debates.  Their differences will come out more when we can see them in the same room discussing their policies on the same issues.  I think Palin is going to get eaten alive by Joe Biden.  Obama will have a chance to better explain his policies when McCain is there beside him.

I feel so strongly because this Election can change the world for you and me. This could be a turning point for success or the widening of a road to failure.

Edited by Love,, 05 September 2008 - 11:35 AM.

[Nmj]

Dont even Bother LOVE, Jen just will post some more ignorant links to websites made by angry Hillary supporters. Ohh and to regards of Hillary supporting McCain is crap, if you arent smart enough to see the Hillary Clinton supports Obama Completley than that's sad...I'm sorry Jen I dont mean to be rude Not at all, but your views are horrible. anyways PLEASE DONT DODGE this question answer it Please Jen

Would you have supported Obama if Hillary was his Vice President Selection?

Ps. Dont lie to yourself about that question PLEASE tell the truth because I dont even know you but I'm 100% certain you would have supported him then.

Please dont reply with another pointless Link.
-Nmj

Edited by Nmj, 05 September 2008 - 01:16 PM.

[PrincesseJen]

Love,, on Sep 5 2008, 01:19 PM, said:

PrincesseJen, on Sep 5 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

Obama- change you can get with intimidation

You really believe in all this Propaganda?

It's not progaganda, it's the truth.

Nmj, on Sep 5 2008, 03:15 PM, said:

Dont even Bother LOVE, Jen just will post some more ignorant links to websites made by angry Hillary supporters. Ohh and to regards of Hillary supporting McCain is crap, if you arent smart enough to see the Hillary Clinton supports Obama Completley than that's sad...I'm sorry Jen I dont mean to be rude Not at all, but your views are horrible. anyways PLEASE DONT DODGE this question answer it Please Jen

Would you have supported Obama if Hillary was his Vice President Selection?

Ps. Dont lie to yourself about that question PLEASE tell the truth because I dont even know you but I'm 100% certain you would have supported him then.

Please dont reply with another pointless Link.
-Nmj

I don't dodge your questions. I told you plainly that things won't be better with Obama. The links are only pointless to you because you fear the truth. Your afraid to let go of the notion that Obama's somehow different then all other politicans and can do no wrong. You'd hate to admit that you've been bamboozled. That you have fallen prey to his image of false grandure. He never was a qualified candidate. It was all an image. Someday you'll come to terms with that reality.  BTW you know that character that Jimmy Smits played on the West Wing? The fine looking, smooth talking younger liberal. David Axelrod, one of Obama's major consultants, wrote that character. You will find that things Smits said on the show have found it's way in Obama's speeches. Obama is one big made up character.

Actually I would NOT vote for Obama even if Hillary was on the ticket. That's why I didn't want her to be his VP. There is a BIG difference between president and VP. I think of how hard the DNC and Obama camp tried to kick Hillary our of the race and know even if she became VP they would never let her accomplish anything that would give her too much of Obama's spotlight. It would have also been insulting to have her play second fiddle to the rookie. It's like watching the new guy steal your promotion. But again, this is not just about Hillary. I do not want Obama to be president. HE WILL BE A DISASTER! He doesn't know what the hell he's doing.  I will NEVER vote for him.

And for a little fun.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 05 September 2008 - 03:15 PM.

[PrincesseJen]

Bonus info on ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for
Reform Now)

New York times article on corrupt organizations

http://www.nytimes.c...09embezzle.html


This is not from some angry Hillary support (though Hillary supporters have every right to be angry) it's from the Employment Policies Institue from 2006.

ACORN Is A Bad Seed

You can download the full report here: http://www.rottenaco...728_badSeed.pdf

http://www.rottenacorn.com/


This is what Obama calls community organization.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 05 September 2008 - 03:35 PM.

[Nmj]

You Know what Jen . You have the right to vote for anybody you want and you should vote for whoever you want, thats an american quailty other nations want so despreatly.

Ohh By the Way I know Barack is NOT perfect but if we give him a chance i know he cant be any worse than BUSH comparred to Obama.

Also I Try think that you think I'm a Democrat but I'm NOT , I'm not a Republican neither. I'm an Independent!  and as an Independent I CHOOSE Hillary Clinton as my candiate since she announced her bid for the white house, I was greatly dissapointed when she lost to Obama, BUT i dont hate Obama .
So the next step was for me to study mcCain and Obama to see who i want to lead our country and it was not that hard of a decison for me. I Just asked my self who is most LIKE my first choice (Hillary) on the issues and I came up with Obama ( I Know you will dissagree but thats how I picked my candidate and I'm behind him 100% now)

So all we can do is try and choose the best person and I did that in Ohio where I Live in Primary when I voted for Hillary here in Ohio; as you know Hillary is extremely popular here.

So eventhough I'm neither a Democrate nor a Republican I will be going to the polls to cast my ballot for Senator Barack Obama and Joe Biden! With my vote I will try and have a little faith that CHANGE is coming for my kids and their kids and their kids. And the American dream will return to the citizens ( which we hadent had since January 2000.

Edited by Nmj, 05 September 2008 - 03:51 PM.

[LVCeline]

I have a feeling that if Obama had picked Hillary to run with him as VP PrincessJen and all the other Republicans would have dragged them both through the mud and criticized the decision to no end, but since their golden boy McCain picked a woman (who absolutely pales in comparison to Hillary btw)  everyone thinks it's the greatest idea since the invention of the wheel.  I'm still shocked Republicans now hold women to such a high regard that they would accept a female in power.  With all their other social positions still from the age of Moses I would have thought they would be against it.

[Alex_Incognito]

I think the Republicans only did this as their chance to get McCain.

It is so embarassing to watch the programs on the Republicans as all you see are nasty people that come out of the hills---your grade-A rednecks of this country.  Very embarassing.  Half these people don't have a pot to p*s* in, but they'll vote a republican so that they can appear religious and act as if they have money.  Bah humbug!

[Lawna]

You know, I hate politics and I hate talking about them, especially because everyone has different views and nobody understands how to agree on disagreeing. I'm non-partisan that's how I'm registered, I don't really like John McCain and the Obama Team doesn't appeal to me. However, I am a little more excited about McCain's VP pick in Sarah Palin. To each is own, she may not appeal to you as Obama and Biden do not appeal to me, but so far I kinda like her. I am eagerly awaiting the VP debate (more so than the presidential, which is pretty sad) however, I would like to hear more issues from both parties in depth not just a general outline.

Let me reiterate: I hate talking politics because many people feel if you do not support a certain party then you are ignorant and uneducated, as I heard one person say about Republican supporters. I feel everyone has things that are important to them and if they can find that in a candidate then that's great!

Edited by Lawna, 05 September 2008 - 05:52 PM.

[incognito]

Sarah Palin is the devil!
But sometimes I look at her and find her kind of hot.  I'm sick.

Edited by incognito, 05 September 2008 - 06:17 PM.

[Alex_Incognito]

Why would a woman want a woman that is not for women's rights?  That baffles me.

Yes, I get it, she's a woman.  But that's not the issue here at hand.

[ThisTime]

Alex_Incognito, on Sep 5 2008, 04:08 PM, said:

I think the Republicans only did this as their chance to get McCain.

It is so embarassing to watch the programs on the Republicans as all you see are nasty people that come out of the hills---your grade-A rednecks of this country.  Very embarassing.  Half these people don't have a pot to p*s* in, but they'll vote a republican so that they can appear religious and act as if they have money.  Bah humbug!

Oh damn. I'm from the hills.
Now I better get registered as a republican so I can appear religious and rich.

[Alex_Incognito]

It's an expression.

[PrincesseJen]

Can you guess who Obama has registering voters in major swing states? That's right, ACORN! The same ACORN that got busted for registering a 13 year old girl to vote back in NM. LOCAL NEWS VIDEO on that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BU29aeF_Fg&feature=related


Since Obama couldn't win the primaries without fraud he certainly doesn't plan on undergoing the GE without it. We already know how he plans on using fraud to "win" Ohio with same day registration with NO IDENTIFICATION. From THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local...hio_voting.html

Other info concerning ACORN, which again, Obama use to work for and have contributed lots of money to his campaign and have registered voters.

Obama Law Firm Got Millions for ACORN from Predatory Lender, Famous Dope, Inc. Bank
From LPAC - http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/08/26...-famous-do.html

From EMPLOYMENT POLICIES INSTITUE: http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=171

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ACORN employees have been accused of submitting bogus voter registration cards and forging signatures on ballot initiatives in 12 states since 2004.
In addition to Ohio, ACORN employees have been accused of illegal elections practices in New Mexico, Florida, Colorado, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Virginia among others .

Investigation into registration fraud leads to 3 arrests in Virginia

From Election Journal: http://www.electionjournal.org/2008/07/26/...ts-in-virginia/

Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

From Seattle Times Local News: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/loca...tefraud26m.html

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King and Pierce County prosecutors filed felony charges today against seven people who allegedly committed the biggest voter-registration fraud in state history.

The defendants, who were paid employees and supervisors of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, concocted the scheme as an easy way to get paid, not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections, King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg said.

ANOTHER ACORN SCANDAL
From New York Post: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07132008/posto...ndal_119692.htm

Yes folks, CHANGE is not always a good thing.


Side note: I'm NOT a Republican and calling us Clinton supporters who won't fall in line Repbulicans won't help Obama.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 06 September 2008 - 04:40 PM.

[incognito]

Clinton supporters?  Clinton obsessives more like!  

[Nmj]

more Links ahh man

[Lawna]

Alex_Incognito, on Sep 5 2008, 08:26 PM, said:

Why would a woman want a woman that is not for women's rights?  That baffles me.

Yes, I get it, she's a woman.  But that's not the issue here at hand.

People differ in opinions, that's what makes America great, because you are given that right to share what you believe no matter what anyone else may think. So your opinion of what is right may not be someone else's.  So if one American believes in God and another is an Atheist who are we to decided one is wrong and one is right? We should be accepting of others views to the point that it does not endanger s person's life. In other words, I would never bash another person no matter who or what they believe or think, only as long as what they believe, practice, or think does not interfere with the endangerment, neglect, or death of someone's life. I personally like Palin and I don't see myself as a woman who like a woman that is not for women's rights. She does oppose abortion: This is true. Unless it threatens the life of the the woman. So yes people bring up incest and rape, which is a very unfortunate, and traumatizing incident. I do feel that in the case of rape or incest I know there is a pill or something that can prevent pregnancy if taken within 72 hours. I am pro-life and my opinion of this is that every life should have a chance, if a life is aborted how do we know what this life would have become? Maybe the future leader of our country? Maybe that man or woman that saved someone else's life? We don't know, these are only speculations, but every life should have a chance. I did not go into every issue of each party and tell you what I side with and what I don't, but if I support a party other than what everyone else here supports, I don't think that makes me a bad person. I will still be that Latina girl that goes to the Celine concerts and shouts and sings aloud! I will still be that girl with beliefs that may not be the same as my friends. And I will still be that girl who will say "No matter who becomes president he will become the commander and chief of our country and the presidency should be respected."

Edited by Lawna, 06 September 2008 - 10:00 PM.

[PrincesseJen]

I'm pro-choice but not particularly fond of abortion. Palin might be pro-life but she is also pro-contraception. Which can be a game changer for some people.



Also if I was Hillary  obsessed then I guess I would do whatever she tells me to. Obviously I'm not. Also the Clinton supporters have nothing on Obama supporters in the "obsessive" department.   

Edited by PrincesseJen, 07 September 2008 - 12:39 PM.

[Alex_Incognito]

McCain Doesn't Get It: Women are not that stupid

Maybe he was sick of the lack of media attention…maybe he had enough of the late night talk show hosts poking fun at his age…maybe he realized that belonging to a party that has been associated with rich, white men was not going to connect with voters in this historical election year. Or maybe he was just ready to take back some of the spotlight that has shined so brightly on Barack Obama and the Democrats since the beginning of the Democratic convention. Desperation can motivate people to make some pretty cynical and hypocritical decisions. Whatever the reason, John McCain’s Hail Mary-- in the form of Vice Presidential pick Governor Sarah Palin--sent a very clear message to America about how he views female voters. Women, he thinks, will vote another woman into office regardless of the candidate's values, experience and political positions.

No one can dispute that this decision was micro-targeted to the small percentage of Independent and Democratic women residing in the Rocky Mountain West, who strongly supported Hillary Clinton in the primary and still find themselves undecided as we move into the general election. Unfortunately, what John McCain failed to realize is that after eight long and destructive years of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their cronies, American voters will not fall prey to political ploys once again.

For months, John McCain and the Republicans went after Barack Obama for lacking the experience they felt was necessary in order to be commander in chief. Yet, on this day, an aging John McCain, who is the oldest Presidential nominee in history, chose a running mate—a person that is just a heart beat away from the Presidency—that has no foreign policy experience, no national experience and limited state government experience…. a virtual unknown who has only been Governor for a less than 2 years of a state with a population of fewer than 680,000 people…a woman who condemns a woman’s right to choose.

I believe John McCain chose Gov. Palin because he truly believes that women who supported Hillary—an experienced, brilliant, life-long public servant--would vote for him because his Vice President has two x chromosomes. McCain’s selection of Governor Palin is a transparent and irresponsible decision all in the name of trying to win this election.

John McCain has served this country. No one in this election is denying him that. But his selection of Governor Palin has demonstrated that he is willing to put his desperation to win this election above the welfare of the American people. As someone who has spent over 40 years advocating on behalf of women both politically and philanthropically, as someone who was a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and as someone who cares deeply about the health and welfare of all women, hear me Senator McCain: “This calculated, cynical ploy to pull away a small percentage of Hillary's women voters from Barack Obama will not work. We are not that stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

- Barbra Streisand

Very well said, Ms. Streisand.  I couldn't agree more.  And before I'm bashed for posting someone a celebrity said, that doesn't matter. She's an American as much as anyone else can be.

[Lawna]

Alex_Incognito, on Sep 7 2008, 03:06 PM, said:

McCain Doesn't Get It: Women are not that stupid

Maybe he was sick of the lack of media attention…maybe he had enough of the late night talk show hosts poking fun at his age…maybe he realized that belonging to a party that has been associated with rich, white men was not going to connect with voters in this historical election year. Or maybe he was just ready to take back some of the spotlight that has shined so brightly on Barack Obama and the Democrats since the beginning of the Democratic convention. Desperation can motivate people to make some pretty cynical and hypocritical decisions. Whatever the reason, John McCain’s Hail Mary-- in the form of Vice Presidential pick Governor Sarah Palin--sent a very clear message to America about how he views female voters. Women, he thinks, will vote another woman into office regardless of the candidate's values, experience and political positions.

No one can dispute that this decision was micro-targeted to the small percentage of Independent and Democratic women residing in the Rocky Mountain West, who strongly supported Hillary Clinton in the primary and still find themselves undecided as we move into the general election. Unfortunately, what John McCain failed to realize is that after eight long and destructive years of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their cronies, American voters will not fall prey to political ploys once again.

For months, John McCain and the Republicans went after Barack Obama for lacking the experience they felt was necessary in order to be commander in chief. Yet, on this day, an aging John McCain, who is the oldest Presidential nominee in history, chose a running mate—a person that is just a heart beat away from the Presidency—that has no foreign policy experience, no national experience and limited state government experience…. a virtual unknown who has only been Governor for a less than 2 years of a state with a population of fewer than 680,000 people…a woman who condemns a woman’s right to choose.

I believe John McCain chose Gov. Palin because he truly believes that women who supported Hillary—an experienced, brilliant, life-long public servant--would vote for him because his Vice President has two x chromosomes. McCain’s selection of Governor Palin is a transparent and irresponsible decision all in the name of trying to win this election.

John McCain has served this country. No one in this election is denying him that. But his selection of Governor Palin has demonstrated that he is willing to put his desperation to win this election above the welfare of the American people. As someone who has spent over 40 years advocating on behalf of women both politically and philanthropically, as someone who was a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton and as someone who cares deeply about the health and welfare of all women, hear me Senator McCain: “This calculated, cynical ploy to pull away a small percentage of Hillary's women voters from Barack Obama will not work. We are not that stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

- Barbra Streisand

Very well said, Ms. Streisand.  I couldn't agree more.  And before I'm bashed for posting someone a celebrity said, that doesn't matter. She's an American as much as anyone else can be.

I love Barbra Streisand but I thought she moved out of the country?



Let me just add....Palin does have experience and it is strongly due to her persistence in adversity that many "women" support and admire. Yes she is a Hockey Mom turned Politician, what is wrong with that? She is a determined woman wanting a better life for her children. Look at everything she has done in such a little time, and yes people have tried to degrade her and put her down, but that only made her more determined. That is something to admire. And yes I support her for this but I also side with many of her beliefs, which is something I cannot say with the opposing party. And having a 17 year old pregnant daughter does not make her a bad mother, it makes her as human as any other working mom. Your parents can teach you so much but in the end it is your decision to follow their guidelines or not. I'm sure Sarah spoke with her daughter about sex, but in the end her daughter made that decision, and yes she may be too young, but from the experience of my young cousins who have had children at her age I have only seen a positive. I have seen the mother want to be a better person and go back to school so they can provide a better life for  their child. So, props to Obama for saying leave out the family, because it should not be focused on the children.

Edited by Lawna, 07 September 2008 - 04:26 PM.

[Lawna]

PrincesseJen, on Sep 7 2008, 11:38 AM, said:

I'm pro-choice but not particularly fond of abortion. Palin might be pro-life but she is also pro-contraception. Which can be a game changer for some people.

Yes I found that out as well today on CNN. She is Pro Life with the exception of Rape, Incest, and the endangerment of the mother's life. And she is pro contraception.

As far as Obama and McCain go, they are both giving Tax Cuts and both will leave the middle class in a $$$ plus.

[Alex_Incognito]

Lawna, on Sep 7 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

I love Barbra Streisand but I thought she moved out of the country?

Nope.  She's in Malibu, CA.  Has been for years.

[Nmj]

"Yeah Hockey Mom Bulldog with lipstick" SARAH PALIN  Pales in Comparisson to Hillary. I'm not a women but I think most women if not ALL women will see past McCain's Business move
and not vote for mccain because he added a INEXPERICENCED women to his ticket

Ok Jen We are ready for another Link now LOL

[Lawna]

Nmj, on Sep 7 2008, 03:40 PM, said:

"Yeah Hockey Mom Bulldog with lipstick" SARAH PALIN  Pales in Comparisson to Hillary. I'm not a women but I think most women if not ALL women will see past McCain's Business move
and not vote for mccain because he added a INEXPERICENCED women to his ticket

Ok Jen We are ready for another Link now LOL

lol...sorry I'm no Jen, but I did want to add this: Everyone is talking about Palin's inexperience but how about Obama's inexperience which people from his own party have criticized him. Why would Obama choose Biden for VP, when #1 Biden did not want to be VP (which he confirmed on Meet the Press) and #2 He said on National Television that he did not believe Obama was ready to take on the role as President of the United States. He said being President is not an on the job training position.  (This during Democrat Presidential debate)

Edited by Lawna, 07 September 2008 - 04:49 PM.