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[LittleBrooks]

I will Vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain. A nominee isn't picked until August. Since Hillary Clinton WON the Certified Popular Vote, she will probable be the nominee (many reports show that Hillary Clinton WON the Pledged Delegates, but then the democratic party changed some of the Votes that were cast by  American people - to give Barack Obama a Pledged Delegate win)
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Specter Demands Sanity Check on Obama's Hypocrisy
Peter J. Wirs - Townhall.com
Wednesday, May 28, 2008

The Democrats begrudge the 2000 Bush-Gore Florida recount. They blithely complain when Republicans seek valid measures preventing voter fraud. Why then, are the Democrats suddenly blind, deaf, and dumb when Senator Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee openly avow to disenfranchise voters 1,749,920 in Florida and 594,398 in Michigan? Not only are Obama and the DNC perpetrating a "hi-tech" lynching, but it is blatantly unconstitutional and may even be criminal.
The Democrats allege Florida and Michigan violated the DNC Rule 11.A prohibiting a caucus or primary before Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire. DNC Rule 20.C.1 specifies the punitive measures that both states lose 50% of their vote: Florida 210 delegates, Michigan 156 delegates. The DNC Rules Committee will be meeting this coming Saturday, May 31 to hear Obama's utterly bizarre plan allowing only the superdelegates (ironically the votes he desperately needs to capture the nomination) to be seated, while delegates elected by popular suffrage are repudiated by being half-counted, oddly reminiscent of a colonial enumeration of freed "Black Men and Indians."
By why is there even a debate? Constitutional law is unequivocal. Every vote cast must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Deliberately refusing to count votes cast may, under certain fact scenarios, constitute a Federal crime, United States v. Classic, citing now Section 241 of the Federal Crimes Code. Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that "once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that of another."
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary's ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see "how it plays out," that "it may well be worthwhile" to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats' refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. "It's certainly something I want to consider," said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. "The essence of democracy is the right to vote," asserted Specter, the Democrat's contemplation of not seating Florida and Michigan may constitute a fundamental violation of democratic principles. He believes that the Congress must act "very promptly."
Specter emphasized while Republicans are striking bold initiatives such as GOP onDemand™ to promote full voter inclusiveness, the Democrats' direction in the opposite direction is more than paradoxical, it is "hypocrisy." "They are preaching one thing and practicing another" angrily complained the former prosecutor, who long fought the legendary Philadelphia Democratic machine's ghost voting and other voter frauds.
While observing there is "great frustration and anger" among his Senate colleagues, Specter's own disbelief over Obama's disingenuous media manipulations was self-evident as we heard him literally swearing as he was hanging up the phone. I have observed Specter for 33 years. His strenuous objections are not political positioning for TV cameras, but are at heart of his -- and any civic minded citizen's -- core beliefs of what is America. To anyone who has served his country, it is incongruous to even think such an alien idea.
Specter reminds Obama that it is fully within the Congress' prerogative to investigate the Democrats' machinations; the presumption that political parties as private entities are immune from oversight or court intervention has long been judicially discredited. Specter also suggested that Florida's Governor Charlie Crist or Attorney General Bill McCollum and Michigan's Attorney General Michael Cox or Secretary of State Terri Land Lynn contemplate what would be required to be prepared on June 2 to go into Federal court paren patriae to see emergency injunctive relief under "Section 1983," the legal parlance for the Civil Rights "Anti-Ku Klux Klan" Act of 1871, if the DNC May 31 hearings fail to adhere to the fundamental one-man, one-vote constitutional rule.
And while the GOP concedes Florida's early calendaring of the Presidential primary caused consternation, at least the "Republicans counted Florida, in stark contrast to the Democrats who didn't count Florida," according to RNC's Alex Conant. Highly reliable sources inform me that Senator John McCain is absolute in insisting on fully seating both Florida and Michigan delegations without any penalties, and as one source put it "what the nominee wants, he likely gets."
Michigan State Republican Chairman Saul Anuzi, one of the most conscientious and public-spirited leaders in either party, reiterated the bipartisan efforts throughout Michigan to seat fellow Wolverines at the Democratic convention, as it is beyond reproach that "every vote deserves to be counted." Anuzi, remains as baffled as everyone as to the Obama's "apologists" spin-doctoring Michigan's ostracization, warning voter anger from Obama's boycott of Michigan is not "going away" by a "perfunctory photo-op."
Florida' National Republican Committeeman Paul Senft pointed to the hypocrisy of Obama "using Florida as an ATM" while agreeing in writing, to refuse to "talk to voters." Senft's courtly manner couldn't disguise his own frustration of the irony of liberals resurrecting the "ghosts of 2000" in the recent HBO movie while openly disenfranchising the very same Floridian voters.
Several prominent civil rights attorneys, obviously speaking off the record being mindful they're outsiders, nonetheless told us that the without question, Democrats must fully seat the Florida and Michigan delegations. (Their response was as if we were asking a "no-brainer" akin to whether kids be eating their vegetables). The universal consensus that the possibility of embroiling the Democratic presidential nominee in criminal proceedings in the midst of a campaign unquestionably should not be a risk worth entertaining.
They also routinely disbelieve Obama's contention Florida and Michigan must be punished for violating party rules, which although viscerally appealing, is utterly fallacious as a matter of law. If Obama was purportedly "upset" at Florida and Michigan primary dates, he was required by law to act before the primary vote, not afterwards. It is fundamental law that Equity hears not the Sloth coming into court.
Democratic response to Specter is deafening by their utterly stolid silence. DNC press secretary Stacy Paxton did not respond to our phone calls to her office and cell.
Liberal entities such as the Center for American Progress failed to respond. MoveOn (which we, the Trustees of the Republican Leadership Trust are the newly established GOP counterpart) avoids direct press contact by hiding behind a digital wall that requires the Fourth Estate to be vetted through an Orwellian email screening process.
Obama's response is his website promoting a "National Voter Protection Center" urging us that "in this year's election we have a historic opportunity to bring more people than ever back to the political process and an essential part of that is ensuring every vote counts."
Obama reputes that he was a prominent civil rights attorney, litigating hundreds of voting rights cases. In his September 28, 2007 Howard University speech, Obama implores: "The [students] who left their homes to march in the streets of Birmingham and Montgomery; the mothers who walked instead of taking the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry -- they didn't brave fire hoses and Billy clubs so that their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren would still wonder at the beginning of the 21st century whether their vote would be counted . . ." Come again?
Even the ACLU, the "stalwart" Constitutional guardian, prolifically "promising" to get back, failed to produce a single person to justify Obama. And this is despite pleading, as I was once, an ACLU board member for several years, albeit a lone conservative Republican in a sea of liberal, Democratic activists.
If this is so black and white, so basic Constitutional jurisprudence, why isn't the press demanding someone's head on a platter? Why are the liberal activists, who defend Mumia Adu-Jamal without blinking an eye, suddenly blind as two million Americans lose their right to vote? Is the Pelosi-Reid Political Correct Doublespeak so powerful as to usurp the very essence of our democracy? No matter where one hails on the political spectrum, as my fellow co-Trustee, Fred Hess, who also serves as an advisor to the son of the legendary Frank Rizzo, observed "there is never an excuse, under any circumstances, to defy the right to vote."
Go to www.GOPonDemand.com right now to learn how you can help stop the Obama/ Democrat/ MoveOn doublespeak and require the Democrats obey the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection under law. In America, absolutely no one deserves his ballot ripped up by the liberal Democrats. The students and mothers who marched in the streets of Birmingham deserve better, Mr. Obama, and it isn't you.
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Conservative/ACLU Arguments Beg the Question on Florida/Michigan Primaries
By Peter J. Wirs
June 2, 2008 - Townhall.com

This past Saturday, the Democratic National Committee Rules Committee voted, as many anticipated, on seating the Florida and Michigan Democratic delegates with only half of vote. Moreover, 59 Michigan delegates were awarded to Barak Obama, notwithstanding he was not on the January 15 Michigan primary ballot. As Clinton adviser and Rules committee member Harold Ickes asserted, the outcome for Michigan was a hijacking of voters' intent because it assigned delegates to Mr. Obama even though he did not win them.
As we reported last week, Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), the former chairman and now ranking minority member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is seriously evaluating whether he should call for Congressional hearings. We know that the Senator's political brain trust was working around the clock to analyze a response to the DNC decision. Although having no direct confirmation, we would expect Florida Governor Charles Crist and Michigan Attorney General Michael Cox, among others, were waiting for the Democrats to cast their decision into stone before considering whether they should seek judicial intervention as per Specter's brainstorming.
Specter, probably one of the most legally astute of GOP Senators, contends the DNC is violating one of the most fundamental of all constitutional rules, that once a vote is cast it must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that "once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that of another."
Conservatives responded to our May 27 column that neither the Senate nor the courts have any business regarding the affairs of a political party on the First Amendment grounds of freedom of association. Their contention was viscerally shared by the ACLU, who graciously responded to us, but after our deadline. This Conservative/ACLU argument relies on major Supreme Court case, primarily Democratic Party of Wisconsin v. LaFollette (1981) which holds that First Amendment freedom to gather in association for purpose of advancing shared belief is protected by Fourteenth Amendment from infringement by any state, and moreover, that freedom to associate for common advancement of political beliefs necessarily presupposes freedom to identify people who comprise the association, and to limit the association to those people only. The High Court went on to hold that a political party's choice among various ways of determining makeup of a state's delegation to party's national convention is constitutionally protected, thus prohibiting the state or courts from substituting its own judgment for that of the party.
But the joint conservative-ACLU logic falls under the petitio principii rule as their assertion is merely a strawman that begs the question, because obviously no one is disputing the Democrats have every right to set what its rules are and how its delegates are to be selected.
But once the Democrats evoke the state's machinery in order to hold a public primary, a bright line is crossed. As the Supreme Court in Gray v. Saunders observed state regulated party primaries "show that the State . . . collaborates in the conduct of the primary, and puts its power behind the rules of the party. It adopts the primary as a part of the public election machinery. The exclusions of voters made by the party by the primary rules become exclusions enforced by the State." Grey v. Saunders went on to assert that "state regulation of this preliminary phase of the election process makes it state action."
The issue isn't that the DNC is asserting some "for members only" admission to a clubhouse. The issue is that the Great States of Florida and Michigan held primaries, which although concerning one or another of our two major political parties, is part of the electoral process. These primaries weren't private affairs. They weren't even party affairs. They were official state actions. The DNC was acting by virtue of the power delegated to it by the legislatures of both Florida and Michigan. The taxpayers of both Florida and Michigan, not the DNC, paid for the primaries. If the DNC wants to exclude voters, or count only half of the votes cast, or award Obama delegates he did not win, then they should hold private affairs (like that San Francisco cocktail reception where Obama asserts most of us are bitter by virtue of believing in God). Let them sell tickets and pay for the events themselves.
Keep in mind that our major political parties are not the same as a local cub scout troop. The rule initially expressed by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in Bentman v. Seventh Ward Democratic Executive Committee (1966) which Senator Specter properly observed, is now the law of the land in both Federal and state courts, is that "the relationship between political parties, the government and the public has become such that, in many areas, the public interest is not only directly affected by political parties but such parties actually perform public functions imposed upon them by law. Insofar as a political party performs statutorily-imposed public functions and to the extent that its actions constitute state action, the internal organization of such political party is a matter of such concern to the public as to make it subject to constitutional limitations and judicial restraint. When the internal organization of a political party directly affects its performance of such public function then not only may the judiciary intervene but it must intervene."
I don't know about my fellow conservatives, but when I go to the polls to vote, I don't want someone to cancel or dilute my vote. I expect my vote to be count as one vote, nothing more, nothing less.

Peter J. Wirs is currently the Chairman & Co-Trustee of the Republican Leadership Trust as well as the incoming President of the National Conference of Public Officials.

[CelineRose2008]

Mccain must win please let this man win that i pray to God         
this is just the way i feel and everyone have the right to vote for who they want         

[Alex_Incognito]

I don't think your God would vote for Mccain.

I have young students that reason more about voting than adults.

[LittleBrooks]

Many American's do not like their Vote manipulated ... The democratic party let Barack Obama advertse in Michigan as "Uncommitted" and let him advertise in Florida - Hillary Clinton "followed the rules" and did not advertise ... The democratic party changed Hillary Clinton's 55.2% win in Michigan to a 46% win - Many, many people believe that this is how Obama "won" the caucus states.

The nice thing about America is that we can do our own research and make our OWN desition.
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AN OPEN LETTER TO

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FROM: HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER'S FOR JOHN MCCAIN (www.hcsfjm.com/)

This is an open letter to inform you that we will not be backing, supporting or voting for Obama in November at the General Election. We have heard all of you say that we are "FEW" or that we are a "SMALL" group of angry, bitter women, but that we will fall in line and vote for a Democrat when we look at the issues. Well you can keep on thinking that if it makes you all feel better about the "Crooked" Election you ran in the 2008 Presidential Primary. We are here to tell you now that there are over 2.5 million of us and we will vote for "John McCain and the Democrat's on the ticket that supported Hillary Clinton ONLY" in November, unless she suddenly become's the nominee.

Even if you put Senator Clinton on the ticket as VP we will still NOT vote for Obama. We are part of a coalition of other's that feel the same way we do and we are all listed under the Group of "Just Say NO Deal". We are not just women, we are men and women from all race's and nationality's. We are also made up of Independent's and Republican's that voted for Hillary in the Primary's and that would of voted for her in the General Election.

We even have Independent's and Republican's that didn't vote for her in the Primary, but have now joined us, because of the way you let her be treated by the sexist, degrading and insulting remarks to and about her. You never defended her, but any thing that was said about Obama, you all fell over yourselves to get to a microphone and defend him. We can not say how everyone from every Group will vote, but we are all of the same mind that come November we will REMEMBER what you did during the Primary's and NOT vote for Obama.

This is not because we are "sore loser's" or any other stupid reason you come up with. It is because you took the Democratic Party and made a SHAMBLES out of it. The Democratic nominee was NOT elected, he was selected by "those smoke filled back room deals", that you all have said over and over you didn't want to see happen. It was the way you proportioned the Delegates, the way you STOLE Delegates, the way that you started trying to push Hillary to drop out before the Primary's were over and all of the people had voted. The way you blamed her for the "Division" in the Party, saying that she was only staying in to hurt Obama's chances. You and Obama are the one's that divided the Party with a lot of help from the media, so all of you need to pat yourselves on the back and stand up and take responsibility for destroying the Party and any chance we had of taking the White House back. On January 20, 2009 there is only one Democrat that can take up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and that is Hillary Clinton other wise it will be John McCain.

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[incognito]

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The nice thing about America is that we can do our own research and make our OWN desition

Not true.  Look at the 2000 election result and the 8 years that followed.

[Nmj]

McCain just cant win if there is any hope

[LittleBrooks]

Most Poeple Have No Clue Of What Happened In This Primary.

Hillary did not Lose … and, How many more Votes/Delegates would Hillary have Won if she would have been able to campaign in MI/FL, and if the democratic party would not have told the states that thier Votes would not matter.

When I talk to people, almost all of them have said “I thought Hillary would Win” ...
Then I tell people how Obama “won” — about the 5 early states and that only the “Clinton” states were penalized with no campaigning or ads (although Obama advertised in both states) ... adding in inflated and uncounted/uncertified Votes, the caucuses …
AND what always gets them is how the democrates chose to change Michigan's Certified Vote in order to give Delegates to Obama...

[incognito]

LittleBrooks, on Jul 20 2008, 02:02 AM, said:

Most Poeple Have No Clue Of What Happened In This Primary.

Hillary did not Lose … and, How many more Votes/Delegates would Hillary have Won if she would have been able to campaign in MI/FL, and if the democratic party would not have told the states that thier Votes would not matter.

When I talk to people, almost all of them have said “I thought Hillary would Win” ...
Then I tell people how Obama “won” — about the 5 early states and that only the “Clinton” states were penalized with no campaigning or ads (although Obama advertised in both states) ... adding in inflated and uncounted/uncertified Votes, the caucuses …
AND what always gets them is how the democrates chose to change Michigan's Certified Vote in order to give Delegates to Obama...

What's your favorite Celine song?

[LittleBrooks]

Favorite Celine Song: If You Asked Me To
Favorate Celine Album: Celine Dion (because it was my First Celine album)

Favorite Celine outfit: when she wore the jacket backwards ...

Edited by LittleBrooks, 20 July 2008 - 08:58 PM.

[PrincesseJen]

LittleBrooks, on Jul 20 2008, 03:02 AM, said:

Most Poeple Have No Clue Of What Happened In This Primary.

Hillary did not Lose … and, How many more Votes/Delegates would Hillary have Won if she would have been able to campaign in MI/FL, and if the democratic party would not have told the states that thier Votes would not matter.

When I talk to people, almost all of them have said “I thought Hillary would Win” ...
Then I tell people how Obama “won” — about the 5 early states and that only the “Clinton” states were penalized with no campaigning or ads (although Obama advertised in both states) ... adding in inflated and uncounted/uncertified Votes, the caucuses …
AND what always gets them is how the democrates chose to change Michigan's Certified Vote in order to give Delegates to Obama...

PUMA?!

[LittleBrooks]

www.hillaryclintonforum.net

found mush info there

[Nmj]

the fact is OBAMA is the nominee and has to be MCCAIN or BUSH same deal with those two...More of the same or Change?

[LittleBrooks]

The Democratic Party picks their Nominee in late Augut, this year they choose the 45th Anniversary of Martin Luther Kings "I Have A Dream" speach as the date they announce their Nominee.  Barack Obama is the Presumtive Nominee. Hillary Clinton is the Popular Vote winner.  Earlier this year the Democratic Party said that Party should Not Override the Will of the People. The Democratic Party has always picked the Popular Vote winner. There motto is Count Every Vote

http://www.talkleft....6/2/12307/61275

Peniel Cronin "Caucus v Primary" June 1, 2008

Primary (State Run, State Financed)
34,553,605 Votes Cast 97.3%

50.7% Hillary Clinton - 1448 Delegates
49.3% Barack Obama - 1406 Delegates
+ 502,941 Votes - 1.4% and 42 Delegates

The Delegate count is after the Democratic party "ajusted" the Delegates
If Florida and Michigan would have Voted "normal", How many more Votes would Hillary Clinton have had?


Caucus (Party Run, Party Financed)
1,057,136 Votes Cast 2.97%
36% Hillary Clinton - 171 Delegates
64% Barack Obama - 323 Delegates
+ 299,768 Barack Obama, and, +207 Delegate


www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Edited by LittleBrooks, 01 August 2008 - 12:22 AM.

[je t'aime]

I'm guessing Obama.

[Bralo20]

je t'aime, on Aug 3 2008, 07:11 AM, said:

I'm guessing Obama.

Guessing and hoping for Obama...

[Céline's Blues]

In my opinion McCain already won.

The crisis with Russia sealed his presidency to 99%.

[PrincesseJen]

Céline, on Aug 21 2008, 01:14 PM, said:

In my opinion McCain already won.

The crisis with Russia sealed his presidency to 99%.

Sadly, you're right. That is unless the delegates do the right thing and vote for Hillary during the roll call at the convention. We've recieved word today that she really doesn't plan on releasing her delegates. She had and emergency meeting with her delegates the other day so I believe that's what they talked about. There was a poll out yesterday that stated Hillary was still the favorite compared to BOTH John McCain and Obama.

[LittleBrooks]

PrincesseJen, on Jul 21 2008, 01:25 PM, said:

LittleBrooks, on Jul 20 2008, 03:02 AM, said:

Most Poeple Have No Clue Of What Happened In This Primary.

Hillary did not Lose … and, How many more Votes/Delegates would Hillary have Won if she would have been able to campaign in MI/FL, and if the democratic party would not have told the states that thier Votes would not matter.

When I talk to people, almost all of them have said “I thought Hillary would Win” ...
Then I tell people how Obama “won” — about the 5 early states and that only the “Clinton” states were penalized with no campaigning or ads (although Obama advertised in both states) ... adding in inflated and uncounted/uncertified Votes, the caucuses …
AND what always gets them is how the democrates chose to change Michigan's Certified Vote in order to give Delegates to Obama...

PUMA?!

I Just noticed your question -- more and more I am PUMA, but right now I'm just Bitter&Clinging to my Vote. My mission is that by August 28 or November 4 -Everyone in the World will know that Hillary Clinton WON ...
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See folks, I am not that political, I am not of the Puma movement that's talked about on TV, I'm just someone who will not let my Vote be STOLEN. And I am Angry.

www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Edited by LittleBrooks, 21 August 2008 - 01:31 PM.

[Nmj]

Obama will be the nominee and the president come january (at least i HOPE) also he has chosen a running name of the a person yet to be indentified and I'm going for a long shot by sayingthis but  I think he chose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate; i hope he did
He and his VP will show up together on Saturday

[PrincesseJen]

He will lose no matter who his VP is. Many Clinton supporters like myself don't want Hillary to play second fiddle to the rookie. It's an insult. You don't bench your best player. In a year Democrats couldn't lose, Obama is neck and neck with McCain in states that are suppose to be no brainers for Democrats. He's lost ground in about very state including NY, PA and liberal Oregon. McCain's new "The One" ads are having an impact and Obama's poor performance at the Staddleback Forum doesn't help him at all. There is no way he can win and Hillary knows it. Two videos I highly recommend on how true citizens feel about Obama and this election.

Citizens Speak




More Citizens Speak (at Saddleback)

Edited by PrincesseJen, 22 August 2008 - 08:50 AM.

[PrincesseJen]

I would also recommend these three videos. Completely unbais videos to help educate people who have questions about the confusing primary season.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 22 August 2008 - 08:49 AM.

[Bellamy]

I heard Obama's attitude to China is like an a$$hole. So no vote from Chinese I guess.

[Alex_Incognito]

Wow, this country is full of ignorant people.  Coming from a man that thinks out economy is A-ok, even though he has NO IDEA how many houses he owns.  

You've not listened to a think "Princesse Jen" about Hillary's opinions on Obama.  She'd freak if she was aware of her "supporters" that would vote for McCain.

Why is it that so much of the rest of the world supports Obama but people in this country are clueless?

Let's also look to see who the troops are donating their money to? Oh. Obama.  Even they know how screwed we'd be with another Republican administration.

Edited by Alex_Incognito, 22 August 2008 - 09:42 AM.

[Nmj]

Alex your the only one for the most part  that ever speaks sense here I'm sorry but If you dont know how many houses you own than how are you gonna make the strongest calls on behalf of our whole nation?

Bottom Line in this election MCCAIN always talks about his expericence and how that makes him better, but I say screw the expericence we want someone who is right on the issues NOT only for the rich but for all of us.
We want someone that is more like us .(I.E ONLY has One House!) LOL
-Nmj

[florisd]

Nmj, on Jul 26 2008, 09:54 PM, said:

the fact is OBAMA is the nominee and has to be MCCAIN or BUSH same deal with those two...More of the same or Change?

you're right
it's time to change if there is a chance it's time to take it!!!   
So Obama is the new face of america I hope.

[PrincesseJen]

Alex_Incognito, on Aug 22 2008, 11:36 AM, said:

Wow, this country is full of ignorant people.  Coming from a man that thinks out economy is A-ok, even though he has NO IDEA how many houses he owns.  

You've not listened to a think "Princesse Jen" about Hillary's opinions on Obama.  She'd freak if she was aware of her "supporters" that would vote for McCain.

Why is it that so much of the rest of the world supports Obama but people in this country are clueless?

Let's also look to see who the troops are donating their money to? Oh. Obama.  Even they know how screwed we'd be with another Republican administration.

lol. It's his WIFE'S houses not his. I have heard everything Hillary has said and I'll tell you one last time because I don't think you understand, SHE HAS TO SAY IT!!! The unity nazi's would be down her throat if she didn't. There is a much bigger picture that you refuse to see of the people who are trying to keep her out of the White House. Search George Soros and Obama.  And yes SHE DOES KNOW HOW HER SUPPORTERS WOULD VOTE FOR MCCAIN. She's not blind. Her people inform her of this. Why do you think she never conceded? Why do you think she never released her delegates? She KNOWS Obama can't win.  Where do you get your sources from? More people who are soldiers stationed elsewhere support McCain.  Most are afraid of an Obama presidency because he knows NOTHING about the military. And they're pretty pissed about him note visiting the troops in Europe because he couldn't take his camera crew for the photo-op. And for the record, not as many people support Obama as the media likes to proclaim. In Oregon and Germany they drew crowds with concerts and beer. His campaign also has a habbit of busing in people to his events. Local German news programs said the crowd Obama spoke to was about 75,000, not the 200,000 his campaign said it was. They lied. Less people support him now the ever before. You don't go down in the polls if more people are supporting you.  We are not going to vote for someone who had the nomination handed to him. Yes you heard right!  From stripping two states of there delegates, not showing fair reflection in awarding delegates in primaries and complete CAUCUS FRAUD!! It was all to make the delegate math close to push Obama to the finish line.  The DNC knew about the voter fraud and DID NOTHING! Other recommended videos I have is another documentary on caucus fraud. How the DNC and the Obama campaign gamed the system by cheating in caucusas.


"We Will Not Be Silenced"

http://wewillnotbesi...video/index.htm

Edited by PrincesseJen, 24 August 2008 - 11:06 AM.

[Alex_Incognito]

You don't have to know anything about the military to know that going to Iraq was the wrong choice.  You don't have to know anything about the military to know what many people lost lives for no cause whatsoever.
You don't have to know anything about the military to know that George Bush Jr screwed the US economy (why don't you ever talk about that?) and that McCain will be the next coming of hell.

And for the record, more people overseas would prefer having Obama for he next US president. I don't need the media, I have travelled.

I am done replying to your rediculous posts.  Get over Hillary's losing.  She has.

[Nmj]

Amen

[PrincesseJen]

Alex_Incognito, on Aug 24 2008, 03:43 PM, said:

You don't have to know anything about the military to know that going to Iraq was the wrong choice. You don't have to know anything about the military to know what many people lost lives for no cause whatsoever.
You don't have to know anything about the military to know that George Bush Jr screwed the US economy (why don't you ever talk about that?) and that McCain will be the next coming of hell.

And for the record, more people overseas would prefer having Obama for he next US president. I don't need the media, I have travelled.

I am done replying to your rediculous posts. Get over Hillary's losing. She has.

And apparently you don't have to know anything about anything to run for president of the United States. Thus Obama running. I know many people in the military myself and are horrified of the idea Obama could be president. And Hillary has not lost. That's why the DNC and the Obama camp are scrambling to fix the roll call vote so she doesn't win the convention. This is a blog post from Riverdaughter who is in Denver at this very moment giving us updated information. The DNC is yet again changing the rules for "The One"

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

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The Newest DNC Twist to Screw Us Over
Posted on August 24, 2008 by riverdaughter

This is unconfirmed. I have only heard it second hand. Apparently, Delegates have been told that they must indicate their choice for President and Vice President in writing by 4:00pm Wednesday and turned over to their state chairman.

Now, what possible reason could there be for pressuring delegates to do this before the actual nomination and role call vote. Hmmmm, think, think, think….

Well, if you are planning to vote for Hillary, they can strong arm you and make your life miserable. And if you try to fake them out by *saying* you are going to vote for Obama, you will be assigned a bathroom monitor to make absolutely certain you don't backslide. I can just imagine them chasing the hapless delegate around, waving the paper around, "You promised. You PROMISED!!!", like persistent, bratty kids.

Your DNC at work. It wasn't enough to rig the caucuses. They have to rig the convention as well. But isn't it interesting that they feel they have to go to such lengths to keep Obama from being replaced by the more qualified candidate. The Superdelegates must be getting restless. Bwahahahahahahhhh!

(very crowded in here. Fun but wildly distracting. Just got a contingent of reinforcements from Pittsburgh. YEAH!!)

Update and clarification: Still unconfirmed.

Delegates have been calling us to say that their state chairmen have told them that their votes must be submitted in writing, some as early as 10am.

The vote will be processed in the hotels.

The votes will be final.

The votes will tabulated before the roll call on the floor. In other words, it will be a sham roll call vote.

Also, there is a report that a Hillary person infiltrated the Hillary delegates. This person was never onboard for Hillary who is misdirecting the delegates. This part is unclear to me but it appears the the delegates have been tampered with from the inside. The delegates that are affected are confused and demanding answers.

This is still unconfirmed. Will the networks follow up on this?

If Hillary does lose then McCain has won. The real reason you won't reply to me anymore is because you know I'm right. People try to make a case that we're crazy for still supporting Hillary but I'd be embarrassed to still try to defend Obama today. With all his broken promises, gaffes and lies (like his stance on infanticide), it can't be easy to admit he's not the person people thought he was. BTW many people view an Obama presidency as the coming of Hell. He has been surrounded by radical/marxist people his entire life and has been taught a racist religion for 20 years being led to believe all white people are evil. Yes I'd be scared indeed if he were president. Thankfully, that will never happen.

Edited by PrincesseJen, 24 August 2008 - 05:29 PM.

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Yes She Lost she will release her delegets to Obama get over it and move on , This is what i have to say to you from a HILLARY CLINTON supporter i wanted her to win so much but she didnt and lets move on

On The SIDENOTE: The Democratic Convention starts Tonight and I was watching CNN to see their broadcast of the Convention.  It is being held in Denver Colorado, at the Pepsi Center and on the bottom of the Screen on CNN they are putting fun facts and One is that " The Pepsi Center first opened in 1999 to a CELINE DION concert"