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[Davey84]

justinecoria, on Feb 9 2011, 10:51 AM, said:

Okay, she's still Celine, gives us some smile, pretends to still sing with emotion, but thing is that we've lost the best voice ever...

well according to René:

Cheerfuljane, on Feb 13 2011, 08:20 PM, said:

She's been taking singing classes and doing two hours of physiotherapy everyday for the past two months! She's singing better than ever!

I think the real problem in the 00's was, that she didn't take singing classes... I think she thought she knew how to sing, but she misjudged the effects that the Vegas Throat and the World Tour had on her physics and eventually her voice...

I am happy she is taking singing lessons again, and I truely think she will sound better than she did recently...


btw I don't think you can judge her (loss of) voice with just one performance, how she sounds also has to do with her mood, the stress at that time etc etc... it never is black and white  

[celinemaniacaik]

I agree wid Davey84, she's gona sound better now dat she's takin singin classes!!!!

[velkyprase]

justinecoria, on Feb 14 2011, 11:56 AM, said:

Thanks for the laugh !
(And just to state facts [not beliefs], even with her whistle notes Kelly "only" has a 3 octave range . Anyway, to me it's not all about range...)
You sure ?     

It´s not about range (kelly just show, that she can do it without any proper vocal training)! It´s about whistle register. Everybody can achieve this register with proper training (you or me, everybody who hasn´t some health problem). It´s not really difficult, you can try it (difficult part is using not achieving).

And yes I am sure. In the past, vocal range was only modal. Over time, people began adding additional registers, because time has changed (lack of directives; usage operatic terms in popular music, etc.). Eg. in opera nobody cares if you can achieve whistle or fallseto registers (If it does not require directly by role).

"Typically, only the usable range of the modal register, the register used in normal speech and most singing, is used when determining vocal range. However, there are some instances where other vocal registers are included. For example, within opera, countertenors utilize falsetto often and coloratura sopranos utilize the whistle register frequently."

[Your_Su_Phu]

velkyprase, on Feb 6 2011, 03:16 AM, said:

Her highest note Eb6 (not exclamation)

OMG! can anyone confirm if that was truly Eb6?!? at the very end right?!? all this time the highest I'd heard her go was C#6

Edited by Your_Su_Phu, 14 February 2011 - 10:26 PM.

[GoldenLeaf]

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Head Voice

The head voice, used for the higher part of your range, is so named because the sound vibrates in your head! When singing in your head voice, you should feel resonance (or vibration) above the roof of your mouth, behind the vocal cavity.

This is often referred to as "voce di testa"- there is a unique feeling after the upper passiggio into this register, and the reason for it is a thinning of the edges of the vocal folds. It happens all the way through the middle register, but after the passaggio, it instantly become more pronounced, and singing feels very different, as less of the folds are available to offer resistance to the breath. The glottis will not open and close completely. This is where the "pure head register" begins.

A mixed tone is a way to create colour and fuller sound in the middle part of the register- the lower the pitch, the more chest can be used. When the pitch raises, so does the amount of "headiness" in the tone. Some teachers choose not to differentiate between the lower-middle and upper-middle, instead choosing to present them as one long middle register, which I prefer to use as well for more elementary explanations. Mixed voice is simply the use of elements of both pure chest and pure head registers.

Chest Voice

The chest voice is used for the lower part of your range. The chest voice is easier for most undeveloped singers, and is easy to characterize by the vibration in your chest.

Nearly all singing done in the "chest register" involves a mix. It is the “spoken” sort of sound that pop and Broadway singers use almost exclusively. Because of the thickening of the vocal folds that singing in chest entails, the glottis closes firmly so that when air pressure builds up below, it bursts out. Each puff of air opens the glottis explosively- essentially slamming the folds together, then ripping them apart again. This makes the use of chest register VERY hard on your vocal folds, and can cause permanent damage through the exclusive use of this register. It is only appropriate in the pitches below the lower passaggio in each voice type.

Interesting...

[wjd]

Yes, its Eb6. There's apparently also a G6 in head voice in here but I can't find it!

[justinecoria]

velkyprase, on Feb 14 2011, 12:57 PM, said:

It´s not about range (kelly just show, that she can do it without any proper vocal training)! It´s about whistle register. Everybody can achieve this register with proper training (you or me, everybody who hasn´t some health problem). It´s not really difficult, you can try it (difficult part is using not achieving).

Isn't it the same for "modal" notes ? Lots of people can shout really high. And recently, Celine's high notes are more about shouting than singing.

velkyprase, on Feb 14 2011, 12:57 PM, said:

And yes I am sure. In the past, vocal range was only modal. Over time, people began adding additional registers, because time has changed (lack of directives; usage operatic terms in popular music, etc.).

Well, Minnie Riperton used to sing whistle notes. So I don't really agree about that.

Edited by justinecoria, 16 February 2011 - 01:20 PM.

[PuraVida]

When and where did Rene talk about Celine taking classes or seeing a coach recently?

Link?