Evolution vs Creation

[Obst]

Hi there to everyone,

 

Where is Heaven?Who goes there?What do we do there?How os Heaven?

These are questions I always put to myself.

The answears didn't come yet.

 

The Bible is talking about a Heaven somewhere in the sky and a Hell under the ground.But science is talking about magma and hot lava under the ground,not mention about any Hell.Americans send satelits behind our Solar System and there they discovered other galaxies just like ours.

Where is Heaven then?

 

The Bible comes again and says that Heaven and Soul are there but we cannot see them or understand them.God is the only one who has the power to do this.

If God would be so powerful can he make a stone that even him cannot carry on his back?This are kind of questions I always put to myself.

Science and religion were always talking about the same things but with other interpretations.

 

Science is based on modern technology when religion is based on old books made by people that lived 2000 years ago.

Every one can have his own vision about this.God,Heaven are relative things.

God is something we have in our mind,in our soul.I always had my God inside me,I love him because he loves me.I fell Him with every step I made in my soul.

 

Your point of view is very interesting,Creation vs Evolution hmmmmm wow very deep and witty

 

I think this world is the result of a continuos evolution.The evolution theory seems to be in my opinion more credible then the other one which is talking about a mighty Creator.This world doesn't seem to be in a order,so this Creator,wherever he might be creat this world but he didn't think about the place of every thing he created.

 

Science is talking about evolution,the Pope is talkng about God.Believe who you want.But if you think with your own little brain like I am you will find out that no one of them is right.

 

Maybe is a combination betwen the two theories,maybe is none of them.

The main idea is that noone will ever find out exact answears about this.

 

Life is more complicated then you see arround you,right ater the corner(but you don't see it)might hapen a great thing.

Scientists are talking about the born of Univers bilions years ago.Now the Univers is MATURE,continue to evolve.In other couple of bilions years the Univers will die juat like he was born.

There 2 theorie regarding how the Univers will die:

1.from BIG BEN now it will come a implosion,the oposit osf the big explosion that creat everyhting we see now

2.the Univers is expending,everyone knows that:the galaxies are traveling outside the known Univers and in one point the planets and the galaxies will be so far away one from each other that Univers will disapear(will melt like snow) and the materia will vanish into the space.

 

I heard another theorie that says that behind this Univers is nothing.Our Univers have borders and behind this borders is nothing.

 

The Univers was born from hit and particles,at least that's what I heard in books.I heard that our galaxie,The Solar System will crush with ANDROMEDA and from this a new one will apear,a biger one,but unfortunately the Earth will disapear also.

 

Are you interested?

 

Peace

[ThePowerofherDream]

Do I believe in evolution? Hmm Well looking at the President of the U.S. yes I believe some of us came from Apes!

[Obst]

Hi Meg,

 

How are you?I can see that you are a John Kerry suporter,aren't you?

 

By the way who do you think it will win?

 

And back to my thread I must tell you that your interptretation was very personal but at least you made me laugh.

 

Peace my friend

[ThePowerofherDream]

Yes I am a proud John Kerry supporter! as for the who do you think it will win, what do you mean by that? As for your thread to answer your question truthfully, I don't believe in any religon or god, and if people hate me for that then so be it. I don't believe religon should be mixed with politics. And Peace to you too, War is not the answer!

[Obst]

Yes I am a proud John Kerry supporter! as for the who do you think it will win, what do you mean by that? As for your thread to answer your question truthfully, I don't believe in any religon or god, and if people hate me for that then so be it. I don't believe religon should be mixed with politics. And Peace to you too, War is not the answer!

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Hi there,

 

I am not a big fan of God also but ,like science,things I cannot understand or explaine are coming form God or something

 

Peace

[celiniouse]

Hi guys

 

I think the Bible is a very intelligent book, written with so much attention.

but this subject is to hard and long to be easy to explain...

anyway a don't believe in it.

I believe in what a see with my eyes and in what it happens day by day.

maybe one future day we'll know much about this matter...!

[Obst]

I believe in what a see with my eyes and in what it happens day by day.

 

 

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Hi there,

 

I respect very much your point of view but I find your statement from above a little bit naive.Don't get me wrong please.

 

What I am saying is that you cannot belive only what you see with your own eyes because otherwise you don't belive in God also.

 

How can you belive in God if you never saw him?Because from your afirmation I can find out that you are the kind of guy who preciate mostly what he has arround him.

 

But trust me,inside yourself you have also great things,such are the feelings,and eventough you donnot see them they are there and belive in them!!

 

Peace inot your soul my friend

[celiniouse]

in fact, I don't believe in God.

 

those "great things" I have inside become actions, so I see them well.

 

kiss

[Obst]

in fact, I don't believe in God.

 

Hi there,

 

Thia is pretty nesty thing to say there.I wouldn't go that far to say that I don't belive in God.

 

The difference is that I see God in a different way then the preast or the Pope.

For me God is something we have inside ourselfs,for me God is our soul itself.

 

Maybe this is way sometimes I feel very worm inside me,I just feel being protected from a force I don't understand,you can call it the mighty power,you can call it the supreme force,you can call it God,for me is the same,only words.What really metters for me is what I feel inside me,there is a fire there bursting slowly.

 

Peace my friend

[Obst]

Charles Darwin wrote:

 

"THE AFFINITIES of all the beings of the same class have sometimes been represented by a great tree. I believe this simile largely speaks the truth.

The green and budding twigs may represent existing species; and those produced during each former year may represent the long succession of extinct species . . . The limbs divided into great branches, and these into lesser and lesser branches, were themselves once, when the tree was small, budding twigs; and this connexion of the former and present buds by ramifying branches may well represent the classification of all extinct and living species in groups subordinate to groups . . .

 

From the first growth of the tree, many a limb and branch has decayed and dropped off, and these lost branches of various sizes may represent those whole orders, families, and genera which have now no living representatives, and which are known to us only from having been found in a fossil state . . .

As buds give rise by growth to fresh buds, and these, if vigorous, branch out and overtop on all a feebler branch, so by generation I believe it has been with the Tree of Life, which fills with its dead and broken branches the crust of the earth, and covers the surface with its ever branching and beautiful ramifications" (Darwin, 1859).

 

The theory of evolution, formalized by Charles Darwin, is as much theory as is the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity.

Unlike theories of physics, biological theories, and especially evolution, have been argued long and hard in socio-political arenas.

Even today, evolution is not often taught in primary schools. However, evolution is the binding force of all biological research. It is the unifying theme.

In paleontology, evolution gives workers a powerful way to organize the remains of past life and better understand the one history of life.

The history of thought about evolution in general and paleontological contributions specifically are often useful to the workers of today.

Science, like any iterative process, draws heavily from its history.

 

 

Topics in Evolution

Timeline of Evolutionary Thought: Get a graphical view of some of the key players in evolutionary thought over the last 300 years.

 

Systematics: The study of phylogeny and classification.

 

Dinosaur Discoveries: Findings and early interpretations.

 

Vertebrate Flight: A case study in convergent evolution.

[celiniouse]

my dear,

for me, everyone's free to say and believe in what one wants, without any fear of judjements.

I'm in peace with myself....thanks to my own strenght.

 

[Obst]

And with no help from anyone!!

[celiniouse]

well....from anybody no. I AM NOT GOD

with the help of my dear friends, when I need.

[Obst]

Is one thing to admit that you need your friends and another to say that with the help from your friends you can handle things so much btter

[Obst]

well....from anybody no. I AM NOT GOD 

with the help of my dear friends, when I need.

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I have a friend,called Elvir,from Bosnia who said that he doesn't need help from anybody and everything he made till now he made it only by his owh strainght.

But he doesn't see that he was helped so many times till now,by his parents and by his familly.

He wouldn never get that far without his friends.But he is still saying that he doesn't need help from anybody.

 

Peace

[celiniouse]

you're right, and maybe I've not explain myself well (english is not my language).

anyway...we were talking about religion and now we mention friends...

what a good relationship!

[Obst]

you're right, and maybe I've not explain myself well (english is not my language).

anyway...we were talking about religion and now we mention friends...

what a good relationship! 

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Somehow this two terms are related,God is said to be our best friend and the relation betwen us and Him is special(for those who still belive in God ).

 

When cam make our Earth a real Heaven if we know how,or vice versa.

 

Peace

[leenylover]

I don't believe in a celestial, all powerful, magical being. Whether you would choose to call that being God, Allah, Jehova, Buddah, whatever. I know many find the thought of being watched over by a spiritual guardian very comforting, but it is not my belief. And I certainly don't need the promise of immortality to make me a good person, Ill be happy with the life I have and when I am gone, my immortality will be in the hearts of those whose lives I have touched and left behind. I love science and I find many of the small minded beliefs and opinions of some churches (mainly catholisism) quite frustrating, and alot of their teachings confusing and impractical in todays society.

 

I believe this world does not need a saviour. WE have the power to save ourselves. ONLY WE can make the difference and we can do this by practising compassion, tolerance, generosity and kindness to everybody, no matter what their beliefs! Nobody gave us this power but since the day we were born we posess it, we just have to learn to use it, without needing to be told by a god.

 

Love Lisa

xxx

[wahaj]

i try not to discuss the subject because....well whether you believe in science or religion a large part of your understanding comes down to belief.

 

i don't think any religion we've got is divine so to say.....but i do believe in their teachings....because they're generally for the good of humanity.

 

i'd be lieing if i said i didn't believe in heaven....or hell, because it was drummed into my head as a kid...because everytime somehting bad happens to me, and i have no way out...i pray and truely believe it's my only way out.

 

i do however believe in a god. not like some man nailed onto a cross, or some bearded wise odl man. i believe in god as an understanding, a relashionship between people, a common bond and strive to live and let live.

 

although going to hell or an after life doesn't influence my decisions because i feel it wrongfully asks people to do good.

 

when i do good it isn't because god is watching me and i'll get a reward for it when i go to heaven, like a reward bank. i do it because i wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if i did the wrong thing. i am my biggest critic and i am the only one i fear.

[Obst]

And I certainly don't need the promise of immortality to make me a good person, Ill be happy with the life I have and when I am gone, my immortality will be in the hearts of those whose lives I have touched and left behind.

 

Hi Lisa,

 

I understand your point of view very good,your words are very touching.But think that those persons in whose hearts you will remaine will be gone also later.And then?

 

Maybe there is no imortality,our word is just a moment from Univers's life.

 

Peace

[Obst]

when i do good it isn't because god is watching me and i'll get a reward for it when i go to heaven, like a reward bank. i do it because i wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if i did the wrong thing. i am my biggest critic and i am the only one i fear.

 

If everyone would thisnk like you then the world will be a real Paradise where everyone will try to separate god from bed and make what's suitable for his ggo soul.

 

I must admit that you are very witty and wise,your words are touching my soul with every leter.

 

You are a very good person,stay like this!!

 

Peace

[pentacletheory]

I don't believe in a celestial, all powerful, magical being. Whether you would choose to call that being God, Allah, Jehova, Buddah, whatever. I know many find the thought of being watched over by a spiritual guardian very comforting, but it is not my belief. And I certainly don't need the promise of immortality to make me a good person, Ill be happy with the life I have and when I am gone, my immortality will be in the hearts of those whose lives I have touched and left behind. I love science and I find many of the small minded beliefs and opinions of some churches (mainly catholisism) quite frustrating, and alot of their teachings confusing and impractical in todays society.

 

I believe this world does not need a saviour. WE have the power to save ourselves. ONLY WE can make the difference and we can do this by practising compassion, tolerance, generosity and kindness to everybody, no matter what their beliefs! Nobody gave us this power but since the day we were born we posess it, we just have to learn to use it, without needing to be told by a god.

 

Love Lisa

xxx

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Wow, you are very insightful. I like the way you think, especially in saying that "this world does not need a saviour. WE have the power to save ourselves." This is so true. If anything, we are the ones that have the ability to send ourselves straight to hell (literally or metaphorically). For instance, God isn't going to come down from heaven and fix our environment. In that area we are surely sending ourselves to hell. In my opinion i believe it is good to have faith in divine power but it is ridiculous to depend on it to tie your shoe laces...

 

 

i try not to discuss the subject because....well whether you believe in science or religion a large part of your understanding comes down to belief.

 

i don't think any religion we've got is divine so to say.....but i do believe in their teachings....because they're generally for the good of humanity.

 

i'd be lieing if i said i didn't believe in heaven....or hell, because it was drummed into my head as a kid...because everytime somehting bad happens to me, and i have no way out...i pray and truely believe it's my only way out.

 

i do however believe in a god. not like some man nailed onto a cross, or some bearded wise odl man. i believe in god as an understanding, a relashionship between people, a common bond and strive to live and let live.

 

although going to hell or an after life doesn't influence my decisions because i feel it wrongfully asks people to do good.

 

when i do good it isn't because god is watching me and i'll get a reward for it when i go to heaven, like a reward bank. i do it because i wouldn't feel comfortable with myself if i did the wrong thing. i am my biggest critic and i am the only one i fear.

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I really admire your perspective. I think the 2004 US Presidential Election campaign for GWBush is a perfect example of wrongfully pushing people to do "good". In that case i think people were too worried about their salvation since abortions would supposedly "damn you to hell" along with being homosexual. It was almost as if what they were doing wasn't intrinsic. It was more of "i'm afraid for me... and God has the power to destroy me.." It seems a tad selfish in my mind. Moreover, i do believe in God, but i also don't fear Him like some people do. I was always taught that he is merciful.

 

All this talk about creationism and evolution...

 

Has anyone ever read the book Inherit The Wind? It suggests a middle ground on the issue of how the world was created.

[Obst]

Our planet is how we make it,it could be our home if we respect it,it could be our own hell if you destroy it.

 

Life is a very sensitive flower that fells every changing in the air.

 

Nobody needs anybody but in fact we all need somebody,maybe that's way we live in a society and not alone in the mountains,we need the presence of another person as much as we need ourselves.

 

Peace

[Obst]

I hope nobody gets upset if I bump this thread after so much time of being inactive. I am sill not convinced yet if weather the world is a result of a mighty creation or slowly evolution. I am still interested in new opinions.

[catwomanrrr]

I believe in creation and I also believe in evolution. The man of thousands of years ago is not the same man that walks the earth today. Goldfish were not always fat, cute and beautiful - they were a result of thousands of years of breeding from ugly, flat, gray carps. The earth is majestic and beautiful, from the mountains to the valleys - what I see in nature, the universe, and the balance of nature and the experiences in my own personal journey, I see a Creator in that. Each one of us have a responsibility to take care of those around us. No matter what, we are all connected in this circle of life.

[babymonkey]

We have to look at the evidence (might I say overwhelming evidence) to support the theory of evolution and the lack thereof in support of creationism? If I could find one shred of credible evidence to support the existence of an all powerful being who decided one day to put all the animals and plants on this earth then I could possibly accept there might be a chance that it is true but I have yet to see anything to support it.

 

I believe that humans are pretty much the pinnacle of evolution. I actually had an argument with a friend over the weekend on this subject. I think that because we have evolved in the way we have we are the most perfect species on this planet. True, some species are more adapted to their particular environment but who needs to be perfectly adapted to one environment when you can survive anywhere. Because we are the only animals with a truly high level of consciousness and understanding we can adapt to anything. That was not given to us by an all pwerful being, but by trial and error, natural selection, evolution.