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[fyoung98]

Surprisingly, as much as many of you talk about her lip-syncing, the media has not caught wind of it and run with it because we do know that there are people out there, including people in the media who are looking for such stories so that they can ruin reputations. It would be a total embarrassment to Celine and her establishment. It is one thing to watch her and do a genuine critique of her work, but it seems that many of your purposes is to purposely find flaw with her work. I think it is malicious and one day it is all going to come out and Celine WILL hear about it and will be hurt by it all. You know she does it, accept it, and move on.

 

I have been a fan since 1998. I know she does it and will continue to do it wherever she needs to. I am okay with that. For me, it's not about the voice anymore as much as it is about the person. She's a great lady who has done extremely well in the music industry. Her lip-syncing to her own songs doesn't change anything for me. I'd still go pay to see her.

[Celine Fan 77]

Guys I'm glad you all liked the videos I've been posting on YouTube; later today I'll start uploading the acapella version of the Au coeur du stade concert.

[HayleyCoffey]

Surprisingly, as much as many of you talk about her lip-syncing, the media has not caught wind of it and run with it because we do know that there are people out there, including people in the media who are looking for such stories so that they can ruin reputations. It would be a total embarrassment to Celine and her establishment. It is one thing to watch her and do a genuine critique of her work, but it seems that many of your purposes is to purposely find flaw with her work. I think it is malicious and one day it is all going to come out and Celine WILL hear about it and will be hurt by it all. You know she does it, accept it, and move on.

 

I have been a fan since 1998. I know she does it and will continue to do it wherever she needs to. I am okay with that. For me, it's not about the voice anymore as much as it is about the person. She's a great lady who has done extremely well in the music industry. Her lip-syncing to her own songs doesn't change anything for me. I'd still go pay to see her.

 

I'm not trying to find flaws i genuinely didn't know she did it and asked the question that's all, it doesn't meant i wont continue supporting her, even if 30% of the performance is lipped its still more live than most, and lets face it who could hit those notes night after night without doing some damage to their vocal chords.

 

Celine has been part of my life since i was 8 years old i'm not going to suddenly stop supporting her because I didnt understand how her performances worked.

 

The fact is Celine's establishment must be aware of it, so it won't be a surprise to them, i doubt any media story could ruin Celine, even after an audience with.... aired it was all over the news and in the papers with celebs slagging her off- it didnt affect her at all.

[fyoung98]

I'm not trying to find flaws i genuinely didn't know she did it and asked the question that's all, it doesn't meant i wont continue supporting her, even if 30% of the performance is lipped its still more live than most, and lets face it who could hit those notes night after night without doing some damage to their vocal chords.

 

Celine has been part of my life since i was 8 years old i'm not going to suddenly stop supporting her because I didnt understand how her performances worked.

 

The fact is Celine's establishment must be aware of it, so it won't be a surprise to them, i doubt any media story could ruin Celine, even after an audience with.... aired it was all over the news and in the papers with celebs slagging her off- it didnt affect her at all.

 

 

The statement is not directed at you . As you have explained, you want to understand how her performances work. My problem is with the people who are not trying to understand but who, every time you turn around, are complaing about her lip syncing and are finding all of this "evidence" to show how observant/expert they are when it comes to her performances. They are watching her so closely that they don't get to enjoy the experience as much because they are focused on the wrong thing. They are also frustrating because one minute it is "oh my dear beautiful Celine. How I love you. Your voice is so angelic and is a gift from God" and the next minute "She didn't sing live. That's playback. Her lips didn't go along with the words we are hearing in the music. If I'm going to pay that kind of money, I want to hear her live. so on and so forth" She was live when she sang it originally, so it is a live performance and she is standing there in front of you so you are getting what you paid for.

[Timster]

To anyone confused about Celine using playback, I've just found this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ULgh9ClvI

 

 

Should clear everything up

[donpi86]

Surprisingly, as much as many of you talk about her lip-syncing, the media has not caught wind of it and run with it because we do know that there are people out there, including people in the media who are looking for such stories so that they can ruin reputations. It would be a total embarrassment to Celine and her establishment. It is one thing to watch her and do a genuine critique of her work, but it seems that many of your purposes is to purposely find flaw with her work. I think it is malicious and one day it is all going to come out and Celine WILL hear about it and will be hurt by it all. You know she does it, accept it, and move on.

 

I have been a fan since 1998. I know she does it and will continue to do it wherever she needs to. I am okay with that. For me, it's not about the voice anymore as much as it is about the person. She's a great lady who has done extremely well in the music industry. Her lip-syncing to her own songs doesn't change anything for me. I'd still go pay to see her.

 

Is not about find flaw, for me, it's intolerable because of her... If she loves to sing like I'm pretty sure she does, I can't believe that she agree lip-syncing, but like you said; she has to preserve her wonderful voice for more new high high notes... But hearing this fakeness in the concerts (like you said she does it, I'm still not sure... it's stupid to only analyze DVD live recordings or Tv Shows...) we all, including miss Dion, are missing the real evolution of her voice... that in five years we can't hear The Power of Love like 20 years ago... ok, what's the problem??? if I am married about 30 years... be sure my wife is not going to be as perfect as she was, but be sure she will be, probably, more beautiful than ever!! you know why? because she has been sincere with herself and she has accepted the time and the changes...

For all that fans and the people who is only waiting for that perfects long and high notes, all that pressure... that's horrible (like that old women with horrible plastic surgery...) Now I think I prefer much more a torn voice that shows an special experience than a pre-recorded (I don't mind if it was live once) perfect note that doesn't mean anything in that right moment... She is forced to be like a doll that mimics for that silly people who prefer to live in a world of shadows and lies... But of course, that people is the one who has the MONEY.. unfortunately...

Of course I trust in Celine voice, but I love that voice in the low notes and the high notes... but only if they come from the heart and with the feeling that only response for that unique moment...

[justinecoria]

To anyone confused about Celine using playback, I've just found this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ULgh9ClvI

Should clear everything up

Ouch.

[HayleyCoffey]

I'M finding it hard to believe that Celine lipped so much of her new show

I was there opening night and the 16th march - I remember saying to my husband that on the first night i didnt think man in the mirror was as good as id expected but then the second night it sounded much better.and i loved it - how could that be the case is it was lipped?

 

I accept that in the high notes such as ABM etc its lipped but why would she lip a whole song?

 

I love to hear Celine's raw voice - on the second night Celine forgot the words to LCMM but i thought it was great it shows shes real.

[celine4evauk]

I'M finding it hard to believe that Celine lipped so much of her new show

I was there opening night and the 16th march - I remember saying to my husband that on the first night i didnt think man in the mirror was as good as id expected but then the second night it sounded much better.and i loved it - how could that be the case is it was lipped?

 

I accept that in the high notes such as ABM etc its lipped but why would she lip a whole song?

 

I love to hear Celine's raw voice - on the second night Celine forgot the words to LCMM but i thought it was great it shows shes real.

 

Wasn't the first show or two all live?? Or am i thinking of the rehearsals

 

I wouldn't mind Celine lipping notes like ABM (like IS in AND) if that was all. Its understandable for notes like that. But sometimes i wonder why when the song isn't difficult/hard on the voice. I've said before - i don't want to hear perfection night after night.I want to hear Celine. Its a shame when i think about when Celine said in an interview "if people want to hear perfection then they should listen to the album rather than seeing my show!"

[Celine Fan 77]

I've already uploaded the whole Au coeur du stade audio in acapella version

 

Available in my channel!

 

[tal-sh2]

I've already uploaded the whole Au coeur du stade audio in acapella version

 

Available in my channel!

 

OMG, It's amazing!

Can you upload this in MP3 format, please?

[Tyler1991]

Wasn't the first show or two all live?? Or am i thinking of the rehearsals

 

I wouldn't mind Celine lipping notes like ABM (like IS in AND) if that was all. Its understandable for notes like that. But sometimes i wonder why when the song isn't difficult/hard on the voice. I've said before - i don't want to hear perfection night after night.I want to hear Celine. Its a shame when i think about when Celine said in an interview "if people want to hear perfection then they should listen to the album rather than seeing my show!"

 

 

And that's the thing. I don't think it would be to much of a strain on her voice at all. I hope she doesn't really think the crowd would think any less of her if she hit one note, sub-par....

 

Let's say she hits the ABM note...and it sounds like the Vegas one from 1996, or Taratata...would anyone care??? No. They are to caught up in the moment to notice such a small thing.

 

Same thing if she hit MHWGO D5's like Larry King or Grammy Awards (now if she hit them like she did on Oprah in 2002, people may notice LOL)

 

Or if she sang TPOL and it sounded like the AMA's performance or President's Gala....

 

I can understand some things being lipped:

- Songs that are big hits and a necessity to the show.

- The challenging parts

 

So this right here pretty much renders 95% of her playbacks stupid. I don't agree with her lipping ABM, Alone, or TC. If she sings half the hard parts live, it is stupid to lip the other half. The ending of Alone is no harder than the rest. The ending of TC is the same as the rest, only with an added scream that is reminiscint of many she will do a dozen times in LCMM anyway. And while the lipped part of ABM is the hardest part, it's ONE note, I don't think one note will kill her. Hell, her best attempt at this damn note was the one time she did do it live in 2008. It had the least amount of strain of any, and was near perfect. So she can do it live still.

 

Uptempo numbers like Misled, I Drove All Night, Treat Her Like A Lady, and Stayin' Alive and Eyes On Me....their is no choreo, and the vocals are not challenging, so I don't understand this. It's not like she is Britney Spears or Lady GaGa. She is not moving. What is her excuse??

 

Adding a song in a show only for the sake of lipping it - Man In The Mirror, Goldfinger, I Wish, Stayin' Alive. These are all great examples. And of course, reviving a great song like The Reason, only to lip it is the same as well. If it is not NECESSARY to the show, then that means it should be in the show because Celine WANTS to sing it. And if she wants to sing it, then she should SING it.

 

And lastly, I am okay with the following songs being lipped: The necessary hits, or the new songs of the promoted album, but only in challenging parts. And when I say challenging parts, I don't consider the ABM note to qualify as this. What I consider challenging is a song like TLYM where there is belting from start to finish, with relatively little time to breath, and a song that is a vocal workout (Le Blues Du Businessman, I Want You To Need Me, these are some examples). So I really like what she did with If You Asked Me To. She sang the first part live (easy), lipped the middle (hard), sang the end live (easy). She does the similiar thing in The Power Of Love, but she could have sang more of it live (particularly the second verse in the 90's). I think this should be the case for all songs. Lip the end of MHWGO, but sing everything else live. Lip all of TLYM, but sing the first verse live. Lip the C5 (the long note), the D5 (more than any lousy love), the C#5's (like this, like that, etc), and the E5's (baby baby baby) in IACBTMN, but sing the verses and easier parts live, etc...

 

Wow, this was long! Didn't mean to go on, but that is my view on this. I'll end it with that.

[Cuquito]

I don't care if she is lipping her songs or not, anyway there's a lot more performances when she sings live and people, is a fact... the voice is still there! Chao!

[justinecoria]

I don't care if she is lipping her songs or not, anyway there's a lot more performances when she sings live and people, is a fact... the voice is still there! Chao!

That's just not true. Sorry.

Do you think we can pretend to pay the tickets for the LV show, the same way she pretends to sing ?

[marc-02]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8nnWMRU7rw...feature=related

 

Celine Dion - Golden Song Awards (Hong Kong, 1999)

[volleyceline]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8nnWMRU7rw...feature=related

 

Celine Dion - Golden Song Awards (Hong Kong, 1999)

 

Space woman

 

haha! I could never learn Chinese, wow that's insane

[celine-rc]

Where does she speak Chinese?? She never ceases to amaze me!

[fyoung98]

That's just not true. Sorry.

Do you think we can pretend to pay the tickets for the LV show, the same way she pretends to sing ?

 

I would go just because she is the one and only CELINE DION! But, that's me. I know she lip syncs sometimes and I don't care. But I don't want people telling me ALL THE TIME that she is. Celine is an entertainer. When I go see her, I am entertained. It would be different if she had been pulling the infamous "Milli Vanilli" deal. Then I'd really feel cheated and deceived.

[volleyceline]

Where does she speak Chinese?? She never ceases to amaze me!

Lol!! Celine doesn't speak Chinese in this one! I'm talking bout the lady and dude!

 

 

 

 

Can someone give me the link to 'It`s all coming back to me now' the full version? Love scene and all? I only have the shorter one, that's 7minutes long.

[I Drove All Night!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW91Eoiooes

 

Oldie... but soooo amazing. I sometimes forget how wonderful old music videos are. She's so beautiful and the emotions are just uninhibited.

 

Also, check out the comments for this video...

[I Drove All Night!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2jags2hw1U

 

Another oldie. GREAT video... especially 0:55 absolutely gorgeous!

 

And 2:35-2:55.... Attitude, werk it girl!!!

[justinecoria]

I would go just because she is the one and only CELINE DION! But, that's me. I know she lip syncs sometimes and I don't care. But I don't want people telling me ALL THE TIME that she is. Celine is an entertainer. When I go see her, I am entertained. It would be different if she had been pulling the infamous "Milli Vanilli" deal. Then I'd really feel cheated and deceived.

Of course you would. You're a fan.

But come on Celine is not known for being an entertainer. She's a singer above all. People should know that she lipsyncs many parts of the show. I mean, I'd like to know how Celine feels when she's faking the ABM note and receiving so much clapping just after...

[Scramasboy]

That's just not true. Sorry.

Do you think we can pretend to pay the tickets for the LV show, the same way she pretends to sing ?

I think that is an unthought and unfair statement. The true fact is is that:

 

1. Celine sings live about as much, or more than alot of artists who perform a live show [upwards of 17 songs] and really she could cut out the songs she lips, and just do that show, and no one would be the wiser, or know what they are missing, but we get more of her this way and she is able to please people while not making her voice hoarse.

 

2. Lipsyncing is a huge practice in the entertainment industry. Mariah, Celine, Whitney, Christina, Beyonce, etc all have, and do do it, and many more have done it more than Celine, and currently lean on it in support of their live shows. We just know all about Celine's because we are Celine fans.

 

3. I know of the lipping. I don't like it, but I get, and accept it as a practice. I WILL pay to go see her, and not throw a fit and have an attitude about it.

[Tyler1991]

Whitney does not lip in her concerts. She has lipped less than in 30 years than what Celine has in just one of her thousands of concerts.

[justinecoria]

I think that is an unthought and unfair statement. The true fact is is that:

 

1. Celine sings live about as much, or more than alot of artists who perform a live show [upwards of 17 songs] and really she could cut out the songs she lips, and just do that show, and no one would be the wiser, or know what they are missing, but we get more of her this way and she is able to please people while not making her voice hoarse.

 

2. Lipsyncing is a huge practice in the entertainment industry. Mariah, Celine, Whitney, Christina, Beyonce, etc all have, and do do it, and many more have done it more than Celine, and currently lean on it in support of their live shows. We just know all about Celine's because we are Celine fans.

 

3. I know of the lipping. I don't like it, but I get, and accept it as a practice. I WILL pay to go see her, and not throw a fit and have an attitude about it.

 

1. Come on, Celine doesn't only sing to please her fans. If she's not able to make a show every day, then be it. Let it be once per week. I wouldn't see any fans or spectators complaining about that : it would just bring the staff less money, which is the main goal of the show actually.

 

2. Huge practice ? Not as much as Celine sorry. Whitney with her horrible recent voice still sings live in her concerts. Christina, Beyonce don't lip that much. The only ones who really often lip are the one who cannot sing. And they even get criticized for that. Plus those who can't sing are more performers than singers, and Celine is (used to be) a voice above all. People go to see Celine sing...

[enno2007]

That's just not true. Sorry.

Do you think we can pretend to pay the tickets for the LV show, the same way she pretends to sing ?

 

Well, no... But you can choose to not buy any tickets at all. Simple as that...

[enno2007]

1. Come on, Celine doesn't only sing to please her fans. If she's not able to make a show every day, then be it. Let it be once per week. I wouldn't see any fans or spectators complaining about that : it would just bring the staff less money, which is the main goal of the show actually.

 

2. Huge practice ? Not as much as Celine sorry. Whitney with her horrible recent voice still sings live in her concerts. Christina, Beyonce don't lip that much. The only ones who really often lip are the one who cannot sing. And they even get criticized for that. Plus those who can't sing are more performers than singers, and Celine is (used to be) a voice above all. People go to see Celine sing...

 

Regarding your first point: No professional singer only sings to please fans, everbody who is part of the 'big game' (and even small scale acts that play in a tiny club for 20 persons) do it for a wider audience and for money. The best sign to see that this is the case: They charge you for a ticket . So, this whole "Celine is singing primarily for the money, contrary to other singers who only care about the arts" is just rubbish.

 

Moreover, a series of concerts (be it a tour or a residency like in Vegas) costs money for production etc, even on days when no show is taking place. That's why concert series run over a limited period of time, with a certain number of shows per month. The bigger the production, the more important is this point. As a consequence, the idea that Celine (or any other artist who needs more than a guitar and a street corner for her show) could just do one show per week is simply ridiculous.

 

About the second point: I'm rather critical of this whole story myself, although I can see some reasons for this. But I think it is a bit confusing that you claim to know exactly that all other singers do this less than Celine. I don't care for Whitney, but what I read was that she did use playback on a few tracks. However, I don't know much about this, so I'm a bit careful with bold statements regarding the amount of pre-recorded tracks in her shows or in shows of any other artist.

 

This obviously doesn't mean that this playback thing isn't a problem, but I think it makes sense to avoid the "let's get all over-dramatic mode" in discussing it.

Edited April 15, 2011 at 05:39 PM by enno2007

[Tyler1991]

Whitney has lipped at the superbowl, and then about MAYBE 5 other TV shows aside from that. So she is VERY VERY VERY limited in her lipping.

 

As for concerts, she has consistently used a track for part of the bridge in "I'm Every Woman" , notice that I didn't say she lipped that. In many cases she sings along with it. In some cases she dances and leaves her mic by her side while the track plays, in other cases she does lip it. In some cases she just doesn't use a track but omits the part completely and doesn't do it live. She has only done that part 100% live once, but more often than not, she isn't really lipping it.

 

Also, I think the "everyone in the industry uses playback" argument is a bit of rubbish and extremely ignorant to use. That's like comparing the economic problems of the US to the earthquake in Japan. It's two completely different things. The fact of the matter is that people who go to a Celine concert go to hear the voice. They don't go for dancing, crazy visuals, and a "show" aspect that the singers of today do. Comparing Celine to Britney and the singers who do that is a terrible comparison. Nobody goes to a Britney concert for vocals, they go for the other crap. My point is that for Britney, vocals are the least important part. Not saying that justifies her lipping, but when for Celine, vocals are the most important part, it is worse to me.

 

The only way a "everyone uses it" argument would work is if Patti Labelle, Aretha, Whitney, Barbra, and all those ladies who are in similiar clout with Celine were doing it.

[Scramasboy]

Whitney does not lip in her concerts. She has lipped less than in 30 years than what Celine has in just one of her thousands of concerts.

If I am not mistaken, Whitney has lipped 2 or 3 songs in her setlist from this past tour to the cd track, was all over the news when she bombed in Australia and the UK. Celine has definantly lipped more, I never said she didn't, but lets not pretend that Celine is the only one of that caliber to have done such a thing. Whitney also lipped the Star Spangled Banner. [Yes, I believe thats it, or some other Anthem]

[Scramasboy]

Whitney has lipped at the superbowl, and then about MAYBE 5 other TV shows aside from that. So she is VERY VERY VERY limited in her lipping.

 

As for concerts, she has consistently used a track for part of the bridge in "I'm Every Woman" , notice that I didn't say she lipped that. In many cases she sings along with it. In some cases she dances and leaves her mic by her side while the track plays, in other cases she does lip it. In some cases she just doesn't use a track but omits the part completely and doesn't do it live. She has only done that part 100% live once, but more often than not, she isn't really lipping it.

 

Also, I think the "everyone in the industry uses playback" argument is a bit of rubbish and extremely ignorant to use. That's like comparing the economic problems of the US to the earthquake in Japan. It's two completely different things. The fact of the matter is that people who go to a Celine concert go to hear the voice. They don't go for dancing, crazy visuals, and a "show" aspect that the singers of today do. Comparing Celine to Britney and the singers who do that is a terrible comparison. Nobody goes to a Britney concert for vocals, they go for the other crap. My point is that for Britney, vocals are the least important part. Not saying that justifies her lipping, but when for Celine, vocals are the most important part, it is worse to me.

 

The only way a "everyone uses it" argument would work is if Patti Labelle, Aretha, Whitney, Barbra, and all those ladies who are in similiar clout with Celine were doing it.

Comparing Celine to Britney was wrong, I agree with that and I should not have done it, hahaha But please, to point out Celine as the only one is just untrue, and maybe you didn't mean to do that, but thats how ^ reads. From my knowlege, Barbra, Patty, and Rere have never lipped, knowingly, but they are also from a different generation, and not Celine, and haven't toured and performed as much as Celine either. Does that make it all right? No, but for lipping, Mariah does, and Whitney in the recent past has. These are Celine's two solid contemporaries, Beyonce who is working her way up along with Christina Aguilara also regularly lipsync. I don't think lipping is right, but it is spread throughout the recording industry in all facets. Lipping to raps, ballads, rock numbers, it has all happened, and happens, and it's stupid for most, if not all, but I still can understand Celine more, and she still does perform the majority of her setlist live, and over the years, the tours, she has also sang live more than her contemporaries as well. It seems that is forgotten and thrown out the window. I suppose I just don't judge Celine for this, I am more understanding.

 

And yes, I think Celine would be embarrassed if her voice went horse, cracked, or cut out, or transfered during a song. I think she would be mortified, I would, and I am not Celine, and I don't have 4,000 people in front of me.