How Does Celine Win Back Her American Audience?

February 18, 2015 at 01:42 PM

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to agree to disagree. Just take the SA promotion and the tour for one example- she loved it! I think just the past year with Rene was becoming overwhelming, she just needed to take a step back from it all.

Let me put it this way... she cares LESS about her career. Yes, she loves performing and recording new songs etc, but it's less then it used to be and then there's all the promo, photoshoots (which a lot of artists kinda hate to do) etc.

February 18, 2015 at 04:06 PM

One main way would be to perform concerts across North America outside of Vegas. But we all know she can't. Although, as with Edison, there's always an exception to a rule!

February 18, 2015 at 06:31 PM

I think that Celine likes music more than ever. But not as nearly (as every family human) as her own family

February 18, 2015 at 08:48 PM

She will not win back her american audience, and she shouldn't try so. It always makes me laugh when people start complaining about the lack of promo: what do you want? Let's face it: promo doesn't help anymore, radio plays are what matter today. Madonna performed her new single Living for Love live on the Grammys, it didn't have almost any impact at all. The only way for a song to become popular is to get played on the radio, and it's not gonna happen, we all know why (by the way, there's controversy these days about Madonna banned from BBC Radio 1 for being too old, so it's not only american thing).

Instead of winning her american audience back, Celine and her team should concentrate on other markets where she has always been succesful, I'm talking about Europe and Asia of course, but also Australia and Latin America (which was forgotten for some reason). She can easily get top 10 hits there with promo and radio deals. Remember Madonna's Hung Up which was like the biggest hit of the year all over the world but still didn't manage to top Billboard. And to enter Top 10 in 2012, Madonna had to record a duet with Nicki Minaj, that's the only way for Celine to get back to Top 10, have a duet with smn like Taylor Swift.

And again, I just totally don't get her thing about stability in Vegas. For me stability is what Madonna does, short world tours when children are having their vacation off the school. Celine can give about 40 concerts a year, mostly in summer, in biggest cities like London, Paris, Sydney, Buenos Aires, Tokyo and so on. And btw someone here on the forum discussed Rene and his attitude towards money, well, being on tour would bring them WAY more money than settling down in LV. Last Madonna's world tour brought total more than $300m, while Celine with almost the same amount of concerts per year grosses six times less.

Just my opinion.

Edited February 18, 2015 at 08:51 PM by Ukrfan

February 20, 2015 at 04:19 AM

The point is, I don't think she cares about her career.

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February 20, 2015 at 10:59 AM

How does she win back her American audience?
Get more interactive with her fans via social media and/or CelineDion.com.

Hey! She did that one thing with One Direction! Remember, she asked a question! :giggle:

February 20, 2015 at 04:07 PM

Hey! She did that one thing with One Direction! Remember, she asked a question!

LOL:-D

February 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM

She will not win back her american audience, and she shouldn't try so. It always makes me laugh when people start complaining about the lack of promo: what do you want? Let's face it: promo doesn't help anymore, radio plays are what matter today. Madonna performed her new single Living for Love live on the Grammys, it didn't have almost any impact at all. The only way for a song to become popular is to get played on the radio, and it's not gonna happen, we all know why (by the way, there's controversy these days about Madonna banned from BBC Radio 1 for being too old, so it's not only american thing).

Instead of winning her american audience back, Celine and her team should concentrate on other markets where she has always been succesful, I'm talking about Europe and Asia of course, but also Australia and Latin America (which was forgotten for some reason). She can easily get top 10 hits there with promo and radio deals. Remember Madonna's Hung Up which was like the biggest hit of the year all over the world but still didn't manage to top Billboard. And to enter Top 10 in 2012, Madonna had to record a duet with Nicki Minaj, that's the only way for Celine to get back to Top 10, have a duet with smn like Taylor Swift.

And again, I just totally don't get her thing about stability in Vegas. For me stability is what Madonna does, short world tours when children are having their vacation off the school. Celine can give about 40 concerts a year, mostly in summer, in biggest cities like London, Paris, Sydney, Buenos Aires, Tokyo and so on. And btw someone here on the forum discussed Rene and his attitude towards money, well, being on tour would bring them WAY more money than settling down in LV. Last Madonna's world tour brought total more than $300m, while Celine with almost the same amount of concerts per year grosses six times less.

Just my opinion.

I agree with all of the above, but I also think since Celine made the move to Vegas, she's had less interest/involvement in the management of her career than ever. Rene was the one largely in charge of her business decisions and it seems that Celine has less interest in or input into that side of her career. It's understandable if they both have other interests, and I'm sure she's made enough money and has other priorities in life that are more important to her at this stage in her life. Since Celine doesn't write her own songs, she also seems to have had less interest in creating or releasing much new English language music in the last decade. It took far too long for Taking Chances to come out after One Heart (Miracle doesn't count), and from there was another much too large gap until Loved Me Back To Life.

I've loved Celine forever and made many trips to Vegas, but not everyone can do that. And there are other places in the world I'd want to visit besides more repeat trips to Vegas. Even if she doesn't feel inspired to create a new full length album, if she can collaborate or feature on other artists' albums, that would help keep her in the public eye. Sadly though, there isn't much money to be made in actual music sales these days vs. touring. I bet this is yet another reason Sony has not bothered to release any new editions of her albums or concert videos.

To attract more people to Vegas though, she should also sing fewer older cover songs. I'm sorry, but I'm a fan of Celine's, not all of the older artists she feels inspired to cover. It's fine if that's her own musical taste, but for her audience, she should put more of her own songs (even French language ones) and hits back in her Vegas show. It's why I went to Paris to see her because she never sings some of her best material where most of the world can hear it.

Taking Chances was one of the best tours, but I think the reason she can't do the touring in the summer thing often while the children are on vacation has more to do with Rene's health, age, and other interests such as golf, than to do with the kids. It is what it is, but it seems to make her happy, which is what matters.

February 21, 2015 at 01:52 AM

I actually think it would be very simple to win back a big American audience. It would take a duets album/album of standards/jazz album. She would team up with an array of current/trendy artists to established icons like Tony Bennett, Barbra Streisand, etc.

But I don't necessarily think that Celine would do this. Who knows! She always surprises me with her choices. She just doesn't seem too worried about being as "big" as she once was.

Which is just fine. Her place in musical history is solid. Everything else from this point on is just icing.

February 21, 2015 at 02:19 AM

Totally agree. We all love her and hate that she's not touring or performing in Vegas. Remember Barbra Streisand went 20 years without touring. And when she resumed, her concerts were sold out. (I know I paid $1500 to see her!) Celine is a legend and when she's ready to resume performing, she will be met with sold out, adoring audiences.

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February 21, 2015 at 02:55 PM

I actually think it would be very simple to win back a big American audience. It would take a duets album/album of standards/jazz album. She would team up with an array of current/trendy artists to established icons like Tony Bennett, Barbra Streisand, etc.

But I don't necessarily think that Celine would do this. Who knows! She always surprises me with her choices. She just doesn't seem too worried about being as "big" as she once was.

Which is just fine. Her place in musical history is solid. Everything else from this point on is just icing.

NO NO NO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQtoCz9dIJQ

she just needs to be Celine and do more promotion

Edited February 21, 2015 at 02:56 PM by celinesounds

February 21, 2015 at 05:00 PM

NO NO NO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQtoCz9dIJQ

she just needs to be Celine and do more promotion

I love that Destiny's Child song!

And I'm not saying that I want Celine to do a duets or standards album -- I'm saying that would be the most logical and surefire way to win back a BIG American audience. She wouldn't have to do a ton of promotion -- it would just take a couple big appearances and these sorts of albums would sell themselves. But, again, I don't know if Celine would ever agree to do an album like this.

I do, however, hope she does a jazz album. I would LOVE to hear the Mr. Paganini recording from the LMBTL sessions. I feel like she should just start doing her passion projects, whatever those might be. (Maria Callas album/film?? A tour across the world to more intimate venues where she can showcase more intimate songs again??) If she does the work she believes in, everything else will fall into place.

I think some collaborations would also be key to wining back an American audience. If Celine returns around the same time Adele does -- that would be GOLDEN. Can you imagine if Celine and Adele had the chance to perform ROLLING IN THE DEEP at The Grammys? Look at what an appearance like that did for Annie Lennox! Annie and Beck had the biggest sales boost post-Grammys over ANY OTHER ARTIST!

February 22, 2015 at 06:40 AM

I respect all jazz artists - but 90% of the standards songs make feel in nuts

there is some exception like

nature boy

at last

smile

cry me a river

and just a few more

February 25, 2015 at 02:54 PM

And btw someone here on the forum discussed Rene and his attitude towards money, well, being on tour would bring them WAY more money than settling down in LV. Last Madonna's world tour brought total more than $300m, while Celine with almost the same amount of concerts per year grosses six times less.

How can we compare a tour in big arenas with shows in a 4000 seated venue? Of course, the first solution will earn more. But not sure...

Beside box office grosses and what Céline gets out of them, she signed a 100 million contract ( not sure about this figure though) to stay in LV. That's the first point.

Then, don't forget the technical, logistic and travelling costs for hundreds of people a tour implies. Being in LV = no hotel and venue bookings, no travel expenses....

At the end of the day, a Las Vegas residency has less expenses than any tour : that's jackpot for everybody.

Céline can have a "normal" life and sing whenever she wants..

Her producers get money from casinos, her shows, shows from others when she's off, without loads of expenses..

Her fans can ( could) go whenever they want(ed) to and their idol is always in activity. To see Céline so close and with all the possible comfort is pure magic. Nothing compared to a show in a stadium.

With Madonna or other artist, of course, it's more simple if she comes in your country but we have minimum a 3 years gap when we don't have any news...

With L.V, we could get news, pictures , new performances every time. Knowing that your fav is always "working", that's a luxury only Céline offered.

L.V was to me - to all levels- too much underestimated.

March 10, 2015 at 03:22 PM

For me, Celine should leave her Las Vegas show for 2 years. For the first 2 months, she will have a time to relax and spend time with her family. On the 3rd month, she starts exercising her vocal chords for a month. For the 4th to the 10th month, she records 16 songs for her upcoming album, including videos and photoshoots and a music video for her first single, the 11th month will be her month to rest again ( but the last 2 weeks will be exercising her vocal chords and her body) and also the time for album production. The 12th month will be advertising and releasing her first single and her album. She will also have a world tour starting on the 14th month til the 24th month.

The album should have 16 songs: 5 upbeat songs, 5 ballad songs (1 of them will be a theme song of an upcoming movie), 2 revivals (one with Mariah Carey, one with Bruno Mars and one with Pitbull), 3 duets, 1 spanish song, 1 french song

Her first single should be a ballad song ( for a change ).

Her second single will be a duet with Mariah Carey since it is something that a lot of people are waiting to happen.

Her third single will be one of her upbeat songs and her fourth single will be released a week after the third single since the 4th single will be the french song.

The 5th single will be a duet with Bruno Mars. Her sixth single will be one of the revivals.

Her duet with Pitbull will be released as a single by Pitbull, not by Celine.

The most important thing is the choice of songs that will be included in the album and the songs must not be about being a mother or a song dedicated to children.

*blank stare*

March 10, 2015 at 04:17 PM

*blank stare*

Same

March 10, 2015 at 04:44 PM

For me, Celine should leave her Las Vegas show for 2 years. For the first 2 months, she will have a time to relax and spend time with her family. On the 3rd month, she starts exercising her vocal chords for a month. For the 4th to the 10th month, she records 16 songs for her upcoming album, including videos and photoshoots and a music video for her first single, the 11th month will be her month to rest again ( but the last 2 weeks will be exercising her vocal chords and her body) and also the time for album production. The 12th month will be advertising and releasing her first single and her album. She will also have a world tour starting on the 14th month til the 24th month.

The album should have 16 songs: 5 upbeat songs, 5 ballad songs (1 of them will be a theme song of an upcoming movie), 2 revivals (one with Mariah Carey, one with Bruno Mars and one with Pitbull), 3 duets, 1 spanish song, 1 french song

Her first single should be a ballad song ( for a change ).

Her second single will be a duet with Mariah Carey since it is something that a lot of people are waiting to happen.

Her third single will be one of her upbeat songs and her fourth single will be released a week after the third single since the 4th single will be the french song.

The 5th single will be a duet with Bruno Mars. Her sixth single will be one of the revivals.

Her duet with Pitbull will be released as a single by Pitbull, not by Celine.

The most important thing is the choice of songs that will be included in the album and the songs must not be about being a mother or a song dedicated to children.

Is this SuperLove4Celine alt account?

March 10, 2015 at 05:04 PM

Lol. One month to produce an album of 16 songs! Someone doesn't know much about recording studios.

March 10, 2015 at 05:28 PM

I think she wins her audience back by firing all her staff and getting a new image...

March 10, 2015 at 05:31 PM

It's over, this is the end of her career. That's it.

March 10, 2015 at 06:16 PM

I think she wins her audience back by firing all her staff and getting a new image...

Sorry couldn't hold that back!

March 10, 2015 at 09:13 PM

I think she wins her audience back by firing all her staff and getting a new image...

I think you win for funniest post of the day!

March 10, 2015 at 10:06 PM

I think you win for funniest post of the day!

Agreed. And it is almost unfair. Incognito is like the Oprah of funniest posts, and she should choose to disqualify herself at some point. No pressure.

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March 10, 2015 at 10:58 PM

Agreed. And it is almost unfair. Incognito is like the Oprah of funniest posts, and she should choose to disqualify herself at some point. No pressure.

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Awwwww thank you. This is why I wrongly assumed the incognito thread was about me. :-)

March 12, 2015 at 03:40 AM

Awwwww thank you. This is why I wrongly assumed the incognito thread was about me. :-)

Maybe one day...... :innocent:

March 15, 2015 at 09:02 PM

Radio won't play her songs and she doesn't attract most young people who consume music digitally and through the social media... Other than that, the future is touring. She has a core fan base everywhere and she is a very good entertainer. So, in my opinion, she has to start touring again the USA every year singing in arenas. Say, 25 shows in some 15 cities in 2015, other 25 shows in 2016, and so on. She doesn't need a new album because those who aren't her fanbase only want the hits.

The key is visiting the markets say every three years.

March 15, 2015 at 11:59 PM

You know, I honestly wonder if it would help for her to go to the awards shows, wearing whatever is on trends at that moment in time? Just a thought.

March 19, 2015 at 12:06 AM

*blank stare*

Same

Ditto

March 19, 2015 at 02:06 AM

Music isn't selling the way it used to during Celine's heyday. Since most music nowadays is being downloaded and listened to digitally, naturally, the target audience for record companies consists of teens and young adults who will buy/consume the music and spread it quickly on social media. The social media presence is a big thing as well, which Celine lacks. Her YouTube videos are barely promoted. The NeYo camp didn't even mention "Incredible" once on their side. Look at Taylor Swift who has a gazillion Twitter followers and holds album listening parties for her fans. Sure her music sucks, but at least she has a personal connection to it and maintains some kind of direct contact with her fans (not having TeamCeline send out tweets). Young people gravitate to that. When Celine records an album these days she more or less does it to stay relevant and fulfill some contractual obligation she probably has with the record company (e.g., record at least one album every decade). We can clearly see this when she's promoting two weeks straight on television and then completely falls off the radar. The truth is, she is not profiting the record companies like she used to and we just have to LET IT GO. Celine is so lucky that her career has never had peaks or valleys. She's reached the top and stayed at the top in terms of productivity and continuing to do what she loves for devoted fans that will never leave her.

Popularity these days is very different from the 90's when Celine dominated. She herself said during an interview that she would not have been able to make it in today's industry if her career were to just be launched. There's nothing wrong with Celine; it's just today's demographic. Every generation evolves and has their own style. Celine is getting older and SO ARE WE. She doesn't need to be popular or mainstream for us to appreciate her. She's already achieved her dream of being an international superstar. That's a done deal. Every adult on the face of the planet knows who she is. She doesn't need to keep clawing her way back in à la Mariah to stay on top. She is plenty prevalent. Most artists are flocking to Vegas these days and hoping to land a mega-residency contract like her and yet Celine is the highest paid artist in Vegas and can come and go as she pleases.

Music isn't making money these days--and that's what it all comes down to: $$$ (the mighty dollar). The record company is not going to spend money on promoting Celine's music if they know it won't be consumed. There's plenty of statisticians that can predict what the album will sell in its first week even before it is released (social media buzz, preliminary single sales, etc., are all factored into this). It doesn't matter how trendy her new music is. She fits into the genre of one of the greatest voices ever and that has nothing to do with the likes of Katie Perry, Taylor, Beyonce, and the rest of today's popstars.

Having said that, if you look at the music that most of the public is consuming today (or should I say being force fed by the record company execs), it's no wonder why Celine doesn't fit in the equation. She's too good for their company.

My love for Celine and her music is not contingent on her popularity. Sure it would be nice for her to be #1 again, but when you consider the business aspect of it, we are far too outnumbered compared to all the tweens out there that sit in front of their computers and send out threats in the masses when some one offends their favorite artists. Celine fans are much more mature than that (for the most part) because we're generally older. The Taylors and Beyonces of today will come and go, but Celine has endured the test of time.

Edited March 19, 2015 at 02:07 AM by idroveallnight

March 19, 2015 at 02:45 AM

Well said and I totally agree. Bravo.

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