Illuminati

[garçon]

I am disturbed by the fact that some people could even associate her with something like illuminati. I don't believe it.

 

I, for one, am not saying she is part of the illuminati, or whatever organization (however others do say she is associated with this organization). I'm just pointing at some apparent symbolism. Sometimes it seems like she is flirting with it. Maybe you should check out some online sources.

 

This is a forum to discuss stuff, to pose questions. Not for ad hominem/ personal attacks.

[LukeD]

I am disturbed by the fact that some people could even associate her with something like illuminati. I don't believe it.

These people can't even explain what ''Illuminati'' means. They just bring it up and resort into generic comments that sound as if they were taken from some children's book (''they are bad people who sell their souls to achieve stuff'' ). They are never direct and specific, cause they're either ignorants or deluded. I have no clue about the ''Illuminati'' theories, and this is why I avoid the topic, which is stupid anyway since people are allowed to believe in/support everything they want.

[sherwynwilshire]

And that is where you are wrong... You cannot shut off someone's opinion.

 

The whole reason it is being brought up so often in these last years is due to the obsessive in your face symbols by the music industry. this is something I hoped celine would stay away from...

 

Weather you belive or you don't belive, you cannot say that this is coincidence that artists are putting these symbols In their videos, photoshoots ect often the same symbols.

 

I've noticed for the first time in her career over the last few years small things she now does which she has never done before. Only small things, gestures which fit with this conspiracy.... This is only down to doing as the industry says... If you want to do well you have to do certain things.

 

This is always going to be a touchy subject due to the fact we love her so much! But this guys is the music industry!

 

Have all of you had your ears closed every time celine has repeated how scared she is of the industry, how she cannot be apart of it? She does her job and goes home. It is blatantly obvious that celine knows about these things and sadly if you want to make a success these days, that's the way artists need to go. Sell their souls to the industry and become puppets ( Britney, Miley, ect). They don't have a say in what they do, they are told.

 

Celine is very lucky in the fact she has rene to protect her and that's why she says so often how she will not be involved with the industry..

 

 

Kev x

And that is where you are wrong... You cannot shut off someone's opinion.

 

The whole reason it is being brought up so often in these last years is due to the obsessive in your face symbols by the music industry. this is something I hoped celine would stay away from...

 

Weather you belive or you don't belive, you cannot say that this is coincidence that artists are putting these symbols In their videos, photoshoots ect often the same symbols.

 

I've noticed for the first time in her career over the last few years small things she now does which she has never done before. Only small things, gestures which fit with this conspiracy.... This is only down to doing as the industry says... If you want to do well you have to do certain things.

 

This is always going to be a touchy subject due to the fact we love her so much! But this guys is the music industry!

 

Have all of you had your ears closed every time celine has repeated how scared she is of the industry, how she cannot be apart of it? She does her job and goes home. It is blatantly obvious that celine knows about these things and sadly if you want to make a success these days, that's the way artists need to go. Sell their souls to the industry and become puppets ( Britney, Miley, ect). They don't have a say in what they do, they are told.

 

Celine is very lucky in the fact she has rene to protect her and that's why she says so often how she will not be involved with the industry..

 

 

Kev x

i totally agree, we cant be blinded by what is in front of us ,not to say that we are accusing her, but we have to at least be open minded ...she said it so many times show business is a dangerous place and a statement she is passionate about which means she is more than aware of things we don't know that happens behind the scene..That doesn't make her immune to it or doesn't mean it doesn't reach or have an impact on her...

[ehild]

I don't really know too much about illuminati....from what I gather it's some sort of secretive organization (historically dating back to Bavaria, etc.). Recently, it seems it's more associated with conspiracy theories and groups that "sell their souls to devil" some malarkey like that. I don't necessarily buy into all that and I think it's a stretch to say Celine does too. Maybe a few people on the inside, part of her team, or whatever but It's just conjecture based different events, etc. I get we're all disappointed in some things but I think this is stretch.....

[dj4celine]

How about creating another thread for this nonsense?

 

If someone wants to, feel free. But I think this topic will die down

[zuv]

If someone wants to, feel free. But I think this topic will die down

yeah, hopefully very soon

lol

[Stuart2007]

 

If someone wants to, feel free. But I think this topic will die down

 

The Alex Jones thread in the off topic section would be the best place for any illuminati, NWO discussion. While I don't think this stuff should just be dismissed I also don't think its fair to Celine to be linking her to the illuminati. A few symbols or hand gestures is evidence of nothing.

[Peppercorn1991]

These people can't even explain what ''Illuminati'' means. They just bring it up and resort into generic comments that sound as if they were taken from some children's book (''they are bad people who sell their souls to achieve stuff'' ). They are never direct and specific, cause they're either ignorants or deluded. I have no clue about the ''Illuminati'' theories, and this is why I avoid the topic, which is stupid anyway since people are allowed to believe in/support everything they want.

 

Who do you think you are? Ignorants? Deluded? Is that not what you are doing being so close minded to make your opinion and bash others when not even taking the time to look into it?

 

I like you Luke and your posts but you have really shocked me there...

 

When you know what your talking about you will find this goes far more into the rabbit hole than the music industry. The music industry is merely used for controlling the masses along with the rest of corporate media. Most of you wonder why they all ask the same questions all the time to celine.... they have their hidden agenders and only promote certain things.

 

The illuminati are the elite ( 1% of the richest people) of the world who are above governments behind the scenes who make the agenders ( one of them a one world government, not so hard to see considering the European Union now control the whole of Europe... The Asian Union which is now nearly set up and is starting in 2015 and the American Union) all of which is accessible information on the internet and in books.

 

Another agender is to make people NEED the system in order to live... Which when you look around.. Small businesses, small farmers are a thing of the past. They don't want people to be able to do things for themselves, such as grow their own food... Support themselves. They want people to be solely depandant on the system... And that's when you can be controlled.

 

People think they are not controlled because that's what they want you to think.... People don't fight if they think they are free.

 

I'm currently finishing my degree, in which most my units have covered this elite group and how they control us. This is not a conspiracy, when the facts are there to read, it's getting off your #ss and caring to look into it. If you sit there and listen to the garbage of lies the media give you.... Well you will be nothing more than controlled yourself. It's looking into the true facts which are out there.

 

Where the music industry plays it's part in the agenda:

 

Does anyone know what happened recently when the Miley Cyrus wrecking ball hit the media? America were going into war yet again with another country Syria.... Where was the word on that? No the masses were talking about Miley... And that's how they use the music industry. Creating outrages such as Janet Jackson's boob coming out on stage when at the same time soldiers were going to war to Afghanistan. It's all a tactic to fill people's minds with useless rubbish when there is actually a real problems going on which they don't want you to know.

 

THE TRIANGLE

 

This represents the elite at the top and as you go down banks, governments, corporations ect and then us at the bottom who are the debt slaves, working hard to pay our taxes to the people who constantly get us in more debt.

 

The elite are usually shown at the top with an eye.

 

This symbol is used a lot in the media if you look around

 

I'm sorry for going so off topic but it annoys me when people say such things and not even look into it before making their opinion and bashing others.

 

This btw is a tiny bit of the illuminati and what they do. You can make your own minds up and I'm sure you will

 

Sorry guys for all that...

 

May I add I don't think celine is anyway apart of this but what I do think is for her to get anywhere she has to do certain things or Sony will not try to promote her.

 

Kev x

Edited October 16, 2013 at 08:52 PM by Peppercorn1991

[zuv]

Deleted post, because it was moved to another thread.Finally!

 

Thanks!

Edited October 16, 2013 at 09:13 PM by zuv

[ryba]

 

 

Who do you think you are? Ignorants? Deluded? Is that not what you are doing being so close minded to make your opinion and bash others when not even taking the time to look into it?

 

I like you Luke and your posts but you have really shocked me there...

 

When you know what your talking about you will find this goes far more into the rabbit hole than the music industry. The music industry is merely used for controlling the masses along with the rest of corporate media. Most of you wonder why they all ask the same questions all the time to celine.... they have their hidden agenders and only promote certain things.

 

The illuminati are the elite ( 1% of the richest people) of the world who are above governments behind the scenes who make the agenders ( one of them a one world government, not so hard to see considering the European Union now control the whole of Europe... The Asian Union which is now nearly set up and is starting in 2015 and the American Union) all of which is accessible information on the internet and in books.

 

Another agender is to make people NEED the system in order to live... Which when you look around.. Small businesses, small farmers are a thing of the past. They don't want people to be able to do things for themselves, such as grow their own food... Support themselves. They want people to be solely depandant on the system... And that's when you can be controlled.

 

People think they are not controlled because that's what they want you to think.... People don't fight if they think they are free.

 

I'm currently finishing my degree, in which most my units have covered this elite group and how they control us. This is not a conspiracy, when the facts are there to read, it's getting off your #ss and caring to look into it. If you sit there and listen to the garbage of lies the media give you.... Well you will be nothing more than controlled yourself. It's looking into the true facts which are out there.

 

Where the music industry plays it's part in the agenda:

 

Does anyone know what happened recently when the Miley Cyrus wrecking ball hit the media? America were going into war yet again with another country Syria.... Where was the word on that? No the masses were talking about Miley... And that's how they use the music industry. Creating outrages such as Janet Jackson's boob coming out on stage when at the same time soldiers were going to war to Afghanistan. It's all a tactic to fill people's minds with useless rubbish when there is actually a real problems going on which they don't want you to know.

 

THE TRIANGLE

 

This represents the elite at the top and as you go down banks, governments, corporations ect and then us at the bottom who are the debt slaves, working hard to pay our taxes to the people who constantly get us in more debt.

 

The elite are usually shown at the top with an eye.

 

This symbol is used a lot in the media if you look around

 

I'm sorry for going so off topic but it annoys me when people say such things and not even look into it before making their opinion and bashing others.

 

This btw is a tiny bit of the illuminati and what they do. You can make your own minds up and I'm sure you will

 

Sorry guys for all that...

 

May I add I don't think celine is anyway apart of this but what I do think is for her to get anywhere she has to do certain things or Sony will not try to promote her.

 

Kev x

hey Kevin, thanks for that statement. That is a very interesting point you've made

[Peppercorn1991]

You can all laugh or do whatever you want . I do more than go on this forum... I read on world events as I'm very interested.... I don't get caught up in the conspiracy stuff... I just learn myself about what goes on. And when you can see it, you realise how simple this world is and how it works

 

Kev x

[divaslive98]

Just drop it. You are clearly the only one continuing on about this when its clear no one else on here really cares to discuss it. Its completely off base to because the hair was cut so it wouldn't fall in her face in Vegas due to the slope on the stage. I am not even gonna even bother debunking you comment about the "singing robot" either because again we understand what she means by it and why/when she enters into that type of performance. Again though, just drop the whole debate about this theory nobody wants to read about it here.

 

DUDE IT WAS A JOKE

[divaslive98]

Who do you think you are? Ignorants? Deluded? Is that not what you are doing being so close minded to make your opinion and bash others when not even taking the time to look into it?

 

I like you Luke and your posts but you have really shocked me there...

 

When you know what your talking about you will find this goes far more into the rabbit hole than the music industry. The music industry is merely used for controlling the masses along with the rest of corporate media. Most of you wonder why they all ask the same questions all the time to celine.... they have their hidden agenders and only promote certain things.

 

The illuminati are the elite ( 1% of the richest people) of the world who are above governments behind the scenes who make the agenders ( one of them a one world government, not so hard to see considering the European Union now control the whole of Europe... The Asian Union which is now nearly set up and is starting in 2015 and the American Union) all of which is accessible information on the internet and in books.

 

Another agender is to make people NEED the system in order to live... Which when you look around.. Small businesses, small farmers are a thing of the past. They don't want people to be able to do things for themselves, such as grow their own food... Support themselves. They want people to be solely depandant on the system... And that's when you can be controlled.

 

People think they are not controlled because that's what they want you to think.... People don't fight if they think they are free.

 

I'm currently finishing my degree, in which most my units have covered this elite group and how they control us. This is not a conspiracy, when the facts are there to read, it's getting off your #ss and caring to look into it. If you sit there and listen to the garbage of lies the media give you.... Well you will be nothing more than controlled yourself. It's looking into the true facts which are out there.

 

Where the music industry plays it's part in the agenda:

 

Does anyone know what happened recently when the Miley Cyrus wrecking ball hit the media? America were going into war yet again with another country Syria.... Where was the word on that? No the masses were talking about Miley... And that's how they use the music industry. Creating outrages such as Janet Jackson's boob coming out on stage when at the same time soldiers were going to war to Afghanistan. It's all a tactic to fill people's minds with useless rubbish when there is actually a real problems going on which they don't want you to know.

 

THE TRIANGLE

 

This represents the elite at the top and as you go down banks, governments, corporations ect and then us at the bottom who are the debt slaves, working hard to pay our taxes to the people who constantly get us in more debt.

 

The elite are usually shown at the top with an eye.

 

This symbol is used a lot in the media if you look around

 

I'm sorry for going so off topic but it annoys me when people say such things and not even look into it before making their opinion and bashing others.

 

This btw is a tiny bit of the illuminati and what they do. You can make your own minds up and I'm sure you will

 

Sorry guys for all that...

 

May I add I don't think celine is anyway apart of this but what I do think is for her to get anywhere she has to do certain things or Sony will not try to promote her.

 

Kev x

 

This is really thought-provoking .... let us be clear, however, that this %1 is not just some loosely affiliated nebula of wealth, the reality IS in fact that the world's richest and most powerful people actually do have clubs, most of them secret, out of which they attempt to manipulate human affairs and increase their power, both over each other (sometimes) and the rest of the world. The pyramid represents the Bavarian Illuminati, which is in fact an off-shoot of the Jesuits, which are the Western world's true invisible hand. It does not represent all rich people, it is in fact specific to the culture and iconography of a particular group of people who control many other groups, governments, corporations, individuals, etc. It is unclear which level or sub-affiliate of this system controls the entertainment industry, but it is definitely involved. And again this is a specific group of people who controls most of the planet's wealth and uses every tool at its disposal to reify its philosophy and hide its intentions. This is a group interested not just in controlling the world but also creating reality. This is about humans trying to become gods. They certainly used Celine as a mouthpiece after 9/11 and conveniently scheduled their invasion of Iraq for her Vegas premiere. When she sang "It's a wonderful world," well what do you think she was doing? It wasn't a wonderful world right at that moment but somehow when Celine sang it she convinced us it was true. So we went to sleep feeling warm and fuzzy about Celine and America and Las Vegas and little babies and new days and nature boys instead of the war.

 

The thing about Celine and the Illuminati is this: if she is involved somehow, she doesn't know about it, because if she did, she would refuse to play along. Celine is a defender of MJ, and is likely among the group of people who believes that someone killed him out of malice. Michael was attacked by them because he could not be controlled; he was a god of his own volition, the leader of his own cult. He could have brought down the government if he spoke out against it, for a certain time. Obviously, Invincible was a message sent directly TO the elite. Because they could not control him, literally and figuratively, they destroyed him. Let us also consider Mariah Carey, who of all the great divas (entertainment Gods, artists with so much power as to have a god-like control over their fans / the masses) exhibits the most extreme symptoms of mind control. Glitter was intended as Miley-esque fodder for the masses on 9/11; what ended up happening was the the butterfly's programming broke down and she had some sort of mental breakdown. Let me just be the first to say that when you induce psychosis in someone through remote / manipulative / coercive means, it is very easy to get them to believe it was either their fault or that parts of it didn't happen. In any case, there is definitely a lot going on behind the scenes that we could not even begin to understand if it were real. I don't think Celine is mind-controlled (she doesn't need to be) but I do think that there are a lot of heavy hitters who call the shots behind the scenes and kind of guide her towards certain predetermined conclusions and that these people are all sort of affiliated with Rene in a way that Celine somehow fails to comprehend and she always trusts these people to tell her the right songs to sing and what to say, etc. They've been so successful in controlling her because the gambles have paid off, because it has served everyone's interest, especially hers, and also because she is so trusting and is sort of open to what other people want to make of her. When you're an open book, you open yourself up to being written on, or worse, for your story to be replaced. You must keep your book closed and only reveal its contents through metaphor, if you are going to be an artist. This is the book of life we are talking about, after all; if you leave it open all year your story will be erased by demons.

Edited October 17, 2013 at 02:15 AM by divaslive98

[garçon]

In addition to previous notions by Kevin and divaslive98, I'd like to stress the following:

 

We, as consumers, have become more and more dependent on and entangled with technology, like the obvious iPhone (or whatever) we use to buy products, to contact the people we know or work with. Besides, this technology is perpetually influencing our sense - or the way we register the world. Just think of the Google Glasses, or other interfaces distracting us from a 'natural' way of engaging with the world. My point is, through these technologies we may become more and more receptive for manipulation by -what others here name- 'the elite', or this presupposed 'illuminati'. These are developments which are taking place right now. Most strikingly Gaga, as our contemporary most popular idol, refers to the Google Glass (or other future interface) multiply in her video's, just take into account the last short shot in 'Applause'. Or look for other technology like instruments she puts on her face, covering the eyes, in video's or official photo shoots. Besides, Gaga more than any other artist perhaps, makes irrefutable references to the illuminati.

 

Secondly, please take this into account, it's more than apparent that recently Celine has made references to (now) undisputed 'illuminati' symbolism. What's the point of singling-out a Pyramid or triangle so prominently in the lyric video? What could it refer to? To a coma? Then, why making the obvious 666 sign during the Ellen performance for such a long time, looking in the camera intensely, like she is signaling? Lastly, the horus eye cover of her new album? Why? Because it's esthetic, after many other artist doing the same thing? Thus, just recently she has adopted three of the most frequently discussed illuminati symbolism. I'm just not sure if this is mere coincidence.

Let's wait for the LMBTL video perhaps.

Edited October 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM by garçon

[divaslive98]

In addition to previous notions by Kevin and divaslive98, I'd like to stress the following:

 

We, as consumers, have become more and more dependent on and entangled with technology, like the obvious iPhone (or whatever) we use to buy products, to contact the people we know or work with. Besides, this technology is perpetually influencing our sense - or the way we register the world. Just think of the Google Glasses, or other interfaces distracting us from a 'natural' way of engaging with the world. My point is, through these technologies we may become more and more receptive for manipulation by -what others here name- 'the elite', or this presupposed 'illuminati'. These are developments which are taking place right now. Most strikingly Gaga, as our contemporary most popular idol, refers to the Google Glass (or other future interface) multiply in her video's, just take into account the last short shot in 'Applause'. Or look for other technology like instruments she puts on her face, covering the eyes, in video's or official photo shoots. Besides, Gaga more than any other artist perhaps, makes irrefutable references to the illuminati.

 

Secondly, please take this into account, it's more than apparent that recently Celine has made references to (now) undisputed 'illuminati' symbolism. What's the point of singling-out a Pyramid or triangle so prominently in the lyric video? What could it refer to? To a coma? Then, why making the obvious 666 sign during the Ellen performance for such a long time, looking in the camera intensely, like she is signaling? Lastly, the horus eye cover of her new album? Why? Because it's esthetic, after many other artist doing the same thing? Thus, just recently she has adopted three of the most frequently discussed illuminati symbolism. I'm just not sure if this is mere coincidence.

Let's wait for the LMBTL video perhaps.

 

Interesting that you would mention Gaga. The first thought that came to my mind when I saw the lyric video was BORN THIS WAY. Remember the unicorn in the triangle with the rainbow and the inverted "Gaga within Gaga as a queer alien in a glass box" thing? The "manifesto of Mother Monster"? Well, that can be read both ways - as an Illuminati reference and a queer / trans pride symbol. Celine's triangle also means one of two things: 1. It is a simple / childish reference to "dying and being reborn" since the pyramid is a place of death and rebirth ... or 2. It's actually just Illuminati swag. The weird thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if Gaga sold her soul just for the experience; Celine actually believes that some people in the industry (not her) are involved in evil / have sold their souls, etc. I really think Sony / Rene / somebody was like "Oh hey Celine, here's the lyric video we've been working on ... it has this cool triangle theme, what do you think? We want it to represent death and rebirth because the triangle represents the pyramid" and she was probably like "OMG I LOVE IT THX"

[divaslive98]

Interesting that you would mention Gaga. The first thought that came to my mind when I saw the lyric video was BORN THIS WAY. Remember the unicorn in the triangle with the rainbow and the inverted "Gaga within Gaga as a queer alien in a glass box" thing? The "manifesto of Mother Monster"? Well, that can be read both ways - as an Illuminati reference and a queer / trans pride symbol. Celine's triangle also means one of two things: 1. It is a simple / childish reference to "dying and being reborn" since the pyramid is a place of death and rebirth ... or 2. It's actually just Illuminati swag. The weird thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if Gaga sold her soul just for the experience; Celine actually believes that some people in the industry (not her) are involved in evil / have sold their souls, etc. I really think Sony / Rene / somebody was like "Oh hey Celine, here's the lyric video we've been working on ... it has this cool triangle theme, what do you think? We want it to represent death and rebirth because the triangle represents the pyramid" and she was probably like "OMG I LOVE IT THX"

 

Also, when Gaga says "put your hands up make them touch" she's talking about putting your hands up and making your fingers touch so you make a pyramid symbol. "Make it real now, turn the lights on" = WELCOME THE NEW AGE OF THE ILLUMINATI, LET US ALL BE ILLUMINATED BY THE GLORY OF SOL INVICTUS

[garçon]

Interesting that you would mention Gaga. The first thought that came to my mind when I saw the lyric video was BORN THIS WAY. Remember the unicorn in the triangle with the rainbow and the inverted "Gaga within Gaga as a queer alien in a glass box" thing? The "manifesto of Mother Monster"? Well, that can be read both ways - as an Illuminati reference and a queer / trans pride symbol. Celine's triangle also means one of two things: 1. It is a simple / childish reference to "dying and being reborn" since the pyramid is a place of death and rebirth ... or 2. It's actually just Illuminati swag. The weird thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if Gaga sold her soul just for the experience; Celine actually believes that some people in the industry (not her) are involved in evil / have sold their souls, etc. I really think Sony / Rene / somebody was like "Oh hey Celine, here's the lyric video we've been working on ... it has this cool triangle theme, what do you think? We want it to represent death and rebirth because the triangle represents the pyramid" and she was probably like "OMG I LOVE IT THX"

Also, when Gaga says "put your hands up make them touch" she's talking about putting your hands up and making your fingers touch so you make a pyramid symbol. "Make it real now, turn the lights on" = WELCOME THE NEW AGE OF THE ILLUMINATI, LET US ALL BE ILLUMINATED BY THE GLORY OF SOL INVICTUS

 

Notwithstanding we would not want Celine to be victim of anything bad, we cannot know how she is involved in these kind decisions. Perhaps she's just okay with adding such a reference to her lyric video.

 

The list for Gaga could go on and on. Just take into account her being the black falling angel (on the top of a Pyramid) in Applause. Kind of creepy, everyone would agree, if you were to represent yourself as the devil; quite literally in this case.

 

Apart from the whole illuminati discussions: I simply do not feel attracted to artists who would represent themselves as the devil. I don't think it's cool or fun. Simply cause there's nothing cool about 'Evil' (safe mocking it perhaps, in any way trying to make fun of it, like you could make a sketch on Hitler or whoever).

[browseceline]

I cannot believe all of this but this triangle in the video must have a meaning. I hope to find out why it has been used and what the purpose behind that signal is.

[brujocrow]

I'm still watching out for Aleister Crowley and the psychic Russian army. Whatever happened to the Rothschilds? And good god don't ever listen to stairway backwards. I did.

[garçon]

I'm not a moderator and in no way I would forbid anyone to add comments to this thread, however please don't make this discussion a hodgepodge of all types of conspiracy theories.

I mean: the whole illuminati (so to name this) question is worth a discussion in itself.

 

Besides, I'm still hoping for someone to debunk all assumptions.

[brujocrow]

Just consider, every generation has their illuminati. It was just as serious back then. I'm not poking fun. I will offer a clue. "whom does the grail serve?"

[Dionism]

It’s been a long time since I have written in this forum and it’s kind of funny that my first entry since a long time should be in the off-topic area. Although I consider this not off topic, since it is about Celine and her relationship to something (in this case the illuminati). If we would transfer every topic about Celine in relationship to something else to the off topic section, the “Celine Dion Discussions” area would be empty…

 

Anyway, I find this discussion very interesting and I feel compelled to add my two cents. So here we go…

 

First of all, let me say that either dismissing something or believing everything, without seriously giving it a thought and looking into it is a foolish thing to do. I consider every conspiracy-basher just as much a fool as a believing-everything-that-is-written-about-conspiracies-and-thinking-all-is-either-black-or-white-believer. The world is much more complicated than that.

 

If you look at the idea of the supposed plans for a New World Order, where there is an elite controlling the many who are the ‘workers’ or ‘drones’, you don’t just assume it’s true or rubbish, since it is about our future, and more importantly: about the future of our children. We have a responsibility to look out for threats to our inner and outer peace and our wellbeing. To protect our children. This needs to be given a serious thought. But on the other hand, we shouldn't become paranoid as well. Now, I get it, considering it makes you feel uncomfortable and it feels much better to believe in sunny blue skies (although I haven't seen a truly deep blue sky for ages...hmmm), it is tempting to dismiss this all. I get why it is uncomfortable. Just as uncomfortable as the moment you first heard the truth about Santa Clause, and I get it… I also really really want to believe in Santa Clause and when I was young and believed and some kid told me he was not for real, I would have done everything to convince myself that he is for real, even if the facts pointed more and more towards another direction. So I understand why it is uncomfortable and why it is much more appealing to dismiss it. And maybe there is nothing going on..but would you take the guess when there is so much at stake?

 

So let’s take a look at what steps the illuminati supposedly want to take in order to get to a New World Order (ha! I like this sentence!):

• Distroy families, a more self-oriented population is much easier to manipulate and control
  
• Distroy the middle class (happening as we speak, proof or just coincidence?)
  
• Make people totally dependent on the system
  

…and more, but these three are the most important.

 

Now let’s take a look at the entertainment industry only, since this is what we’re focusing on: Name any recent movie about a happy, warm family, or movies that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, like The Sound Of Music, Mary Poppins, Home Alone etc. You will find there aren’t many anymore. They become less and less. (remember it all goes along in baby steps, although the steps are getting larger now) And the ones that do exist have either an egocentric, very negative and selfdestructive teenager in it (symbol of the destruction of family values etc.), an interior of the house that is cold, a lot of technology (iPhones, computers etc.), ‘cold’ background music (electric guitars or electronic music, with electronically altered voices of (teenage) singers). Most movies that are about families are about dysfunctional ones, and family values are not promoted anymore.

 

Movies that are the opposite of warm and cozy are, on the other hand, to be found in countless numbers:

• Hunger Games
  
• Oblivion
  
• Star Trek Into Darkness
  
• The Dark Night Rises
  

Etc.

 

Even classics like Snow White have been given a darker feeling, despite the lovely Julia Roberts. That movie is not a family movie! Really!

 

Name any recent album of an artist which is romantic, warm and emotional, like TCOML for example. Christmas albums and cover albums don’t count, since it is a little bit difficult to alter the Christmas experience (thank god for that) and altering the past is impossible… (you can only decide to make different arrangements in cover albums to make them more ‘up to date’ (read: colder, more detached from feeling etc.). I crave for this music, so if anyone knows about it, I’d gladly like to know! I for one, am very happy with Sans Attendre, it is one of the very few recent albums I could find which still has some warmth and emotion in it.

 

Most music nowadays is head-oriented instead of heart/soul-oriented. Most songs have mediocre or repetitive melodies which are decorated with some strong electronic beats and instruments, and when they do have real instruments, they are really dark, cold and depressing. Someone posted the song Grow by Rae Morris in the Sad Songs topic. This is a good example. It has some esthetically appealing sounds in it, but it is dark, emotionless. It is head-oriented music. Now I don’t condone this music, but this music is more and more becoming dominant in every house, mall, car etc. and the warmer, melodic music is slowly dying, which reminds me of the prophetic song American Pie:

 

“The day the music dies”.

 

Quite often I feel like this song, when thinking about the music nowadays.

 

There is also this artist who was heavily promoted, but the success was still mediocre (which is an indication that the manipulation doesn’t work as much as they want, thank god), her name is Lana Del Rey, and compared to her, Rae Morris’s song is soulful and warm… There are some fans of her here, I believe. I once went to an online music store and her album was depicted as large as my computer screen with big red letters saying: “THE ALBUM

EVERYONE

IS TALKING ABOUT’. Yeah, right! She wasn’t even in the charts by then…how obvious can this manipulation be. And the name of the album?

Born To Die!

And an emotionless, cold, robot-like face on the cover….

 

Now, is this proof of an illuminati conspiracy? Of course not! Are these signs which might direct to conclusions that substantiate the claims that conspiracy theories make? Yes! That alone, makes it foolish to dismiss it beforehand.

 

Is Celine part of the illuminati? My answer is: No! Why? Illuminati aren’t born in families where they are put in a drawer because there isn’t enough space for a bed, since the house is too small. They are not born in warm families, like Celines, where they sing, make music an dance, and I know, because I met some of them, and they are warm people! In illuminati families, children are often raped and traumatised, so they fear ever getting out. It’s much worse than the mob. People who are part of the elite don’t have to work their asses off, like Adhémar, to get food on the table, they don’t have to turn their plates over to be able to eat the desert.

 

Celine Dion is in the music industry, and that is where all the manipulation is being played out. Celine is not the manipulator! Same can be said for Lady Gaga. She is innocent, but unfortunately for her, heavily mind controlled, just like Rihanna, Miley Cyrus etc. They are victims of the industry, they are not the perpetrators. Celine is very smart to narrow her contact with the scene to the minimum as much as possible, as is said before in this thread.

 

Whether the conspiracy is true or not, the thing you can do about it, is, do the exact opposite: stay in a positive vibe, be a loving person, keep in touch with your family (Celine is a very good example for that, for which she might or might not gladly pay the small fee of making some hand gestures from time to time (although it is much more believable that she does this only to look 'cool') and recording songs that make her music executives happy, (a a ai, a a ai ai aaaaaai!, I must admit, a really catchy song, but it gets old pretty fast, because it lacks substance and emotion (just my opinion)). Listen to warm, heartfelt music that really moves you and turn up the volume! (You already have an excellent taste, since you are on this forum (unless you only like the up-tempo's of One Heart and don't care for the music which made Celine a super star in the first place...I'm just teasing...)). Support your local economy, by choosing small companies or stores instead of the big corporations. And be present in the moment, without continuously looking at your cell phone or tablet. And stay true to yourself. Don't get into negativity, fear, stress, or depression, because the light always wins... but only if you keep shining it!

[garçon]

I find it really interesting you add the family values to the discussion. Wether taking the conspiracy or not, these notions seem rather easy to agree with it.

 

We need to be careful becoming more and more dependent on technology, though we seems to have no choice but joining these developments.

[ehild]

There are some valid points in this discussion. Without a doubt there are elitist groups out there control who a lot of things. How much? I don't think anyone knows but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes deeper than we all think. There are so many different theories about so many aspects, whether it's government, the banks, pharmaceutical companies, etc. I think it would be hard to totally debunk everything. For example, you do hear about (for a government example) the Koch brothers and how they'll only fund political campaigns for those candidates who roll with their agenda. Since they have the money and you can't campaign with out it, you get these ultra conservative candidates who seem to want to take us back to 1940-whatever. I'm sure there are such groups and powerful people in the music industry as well. There's so much corruption in every industry these days & it has gotten out of control. This is why the credit rating has dropped in the US & we're in such a huge crisis locally and globally. Once one ball drops, the rest go and then everyone is feeling the pain and all because the few with the most money want it their way. In general, this idea isn't so far fetched. However, I don't Celine, personally, is part of any of this. She's one to speak out against this type of stuff (MJ, Larry King interview about Hurricane Katrina....still can't believe he asked her to sing in that interview). That's why I mentioned above about someone on her team possibly being associated with this. Maybe a high-up Sony executive, etc. Since Rene deals with all of the business aspects, he would know more about any possible associations than Celine would. Being the gambler & businessman that he is, (and I realize this is a stretch), I wouldn't be surprised if he owes someone something, etc. It's funny how any negative story you can randomly find concerning them on google seems to center around him but if you try to google the same article an hour or a day later, it's gone. Just food for thought. Being as successful as she is, it does open her up to associations with things like this, unfortunately. Sometimes I do wonder if her main focus is family (and yes, I know she still loves to sing) but part of me wonders if they're over-extended due to gambling....... Probably not but I think more money goes out in that household than we realize.

[celinebestlover]

Oh wait the illuminati again? COME ON! Did you notice that she is a DEVOT Christian, wasn't that in her family she would have probably never been born!

[Lu CelineFan]

It’s been a long time since I have written in this forum and it’s kind of funny that my first entry since a long time should be in the off-topic area. Although I consider this not off topic, since it is about Celine and her relationship to something (in this case the illuminati). If we would transfer every topic about Celine in relationship to something else to the off topic section, the “Celine Dion Discussions” area would be empty…

 

Anyway, I find this discussion very interesting and I feel compelled to add my two cents. So here we go…

 

First of all, let me say that either dismissing something or believing everything, without seriously giving it a thought and looking into it is a foolish thing to do. I consider every conspiracy-basher just as much a fool as a believing-everything-that-is-written-about-conspiracies-and-thinking-all-is-either-black-or-white-believer. The world is much more complicated than that.

 

If you look at the idea of the supposed plans for a New World Order, where there is an elite controlling the many who are the ‘workers’ or ‘drones’, you don’t just assume it’s true or rubbish, since it is about our future, and more importantly: about the future of our children. We have a responsibility to look out for threats to our inner and outer peace and our wellbeing. To protect our children. This needs to be given a serious thought. But on the other hand, we shouldn't become paranoid as well. Now, I get it, considering it makes you feel uncomfortable and it feels much better to believe in sunny blue skies (although I haven't seen a truly deep blue sky for ages...hmmm), it is tempting to dismiss this all. I get why it is uncomfortable. Just as uncomfortable as the moment you first heard the truth about Santa Clause, and I get it… I also really really want to believe in Santa Clause and when I was young and believed and some kid told me he was not for real, I would have done everything to convince myself that he is for real, even if the facts pointed more and more towards another direction. So I understand why it is uncomfortable and why it is much more appealing to dismiss it. And maybe there is nothing going on..but would you take the guess when there is so much at stake?

 

So let’s take a look at what steps the illuminati supposedly want to take in order to get to a New World Order (ha! I like this sentence!):

• Distroy families, a more self-oriented population is much easier to manipulate and control
  
• Distroy the middle class (happening as we speak, proof or just coincidence?)
  
• Make people totally dependent on the system
  

…and more, but these three are the most important.

 

Now let’s take a look at the entertainment industry only, since this is what we’re focusing on: Name any recent movie about a happy, warm family, or movies that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, like The Sound Of Music, Mary Poppins, Home Alone etc. You will find there aren’t many anymore. They become less and less. (remember it all goes along in baby steps, although the steps are getting larger now) And the ones that do exist have either an egocentric, very negative and selfdestructive teenager in it (symbol of the destruction of family values etc.), an interior of the house that is cold, a lot of technology (iPhones, computers etc.), ‘cold’ background music (electric guitars or electronic music, with electronically altered voices of (teenage) singers). Most movies that are about families are about dysfunctional ones, and family values are not promoted anymore.

 

Movies that are the opposite of warm and cozy are, on the other hand, to be found in countless numbers:

• Hunger Games
  
• Oblivion
  
• Star Trek Into Darkness
  
• The Dark Night Rises
  

Etc.

 

Even classics like Snow White have been given a darker feeling, despite the lovely Julia Roberts. That movie is not a family movie! Really!

 

Name any recent album of an artist which is romantic, warm and emotional, like TCOML for example. Christmas albums and cover albums don’t count, since it is a little bit difficult to alter the Christmas experience (thank god for that) and altering the past is impossible… (you can only decide to make different arrangements in cover albums to make them more ‘up to date’ (read: colder, more detached from feeling etc.). I crave for this music, so if anyone knows about it, I’d gladly like to know! I for one, am very happy with Sans Attendre, it is one of the very few recent albums I could find which still has some warmth and emotion in it.

 

Most music nowadays is head-oriented instead of heart/soul-oriented. Most songs have mediocre or repetitive melodies which are decorated with some strong electronic beats and instruments, and when they do have real instruments, they are really dark, cold and depressing. Someone posted the song Grow by Rae Morris in the Sad Songs topic. This is a good example. It has some esthetically appealing sounds in it, but it is dark, emotionless. It is head-oriented music. Now I don’t condone this music, but this music is more and more becoming dominant in every house, mall, car etc. and the warmer, melodic music is slowly dying, which reminds me of the prophetic song American Pie:

 

“The day the music dies”.

 

Quite often I feel like this song, when thinking about the music nowadays.

 

There is also this artist who was heavily promoted, but the success was still mediocre (which is an indication that the manipulation doesn’t work as much as they want, thank god), her name is Lana Del Rey, and compared to her, Rae Morris’s song is soulful and warm… There are some fans of her here, I believe. I once went to an online music store and her album was depicted as large as my computer screen with big red letters saying: “THE ALBUM

EVERYONE

IS TALKING ABOUT’. Yeah, right! She wasn’t even in the charts by then…how obvious can this manipulation be. And the name of the album?

Born To Die!

And an emotionless, cold, robot-like face on the cover….

 

Now, is this proof of an illuminati conspiracy? Of course not! Are these signs which might direct to conclusions that substantiate the claims that conspiracy theories make? Yes! That alone, makes it foolish to dismiss it beforehand.

 

Is Celine part of the illuminati? My answer is: No! Why? Illuminati aren’t born in families where they are put in a drawer because there isn’t enough space for a bed, since the house is too small. They are not born in warm families, like Celines, where they sing, make music an dance, and I know, because I met some of them, and they are warm people! In illuminati families, children are often raped and traumatised, so they fear ever getting out. It’s much worse than the mob. People who are part of the elite don’t have to work their asses off, like Adhémar, to get food on the table, they don’t have to turn their plates over to be able to eat the desert.

 

Celine Dion is in the music industry, and that is where all the manipulation is being played out. Celine is not the manipulator! Same can be said for Lady Gaga. She is innocent, but unfortunately for her, heavily mind controlled, just like Rihanna, Miley Cyrus etc. They are victims of the industry, they are not the perpetrators. Celine is very smart to narrow her contact with the scene to the minimum as much as possible, as is said before in this thread.

 

Whether the conspiracy is true or not, the thing you can do about it, is, do the exact opposite: stay in a positive vibe, be a loving person, keep in touch with your family (Celine is a very good example for that, for which she might or might not gladly pay the small fee of making some hand gestures from time to time (although it is much more believable that she does this only to look 'cool') and recording songs that make her music executives happy, (a a ai, a a ai ai aaaaaai!, I must admit, a really catchy song, but it gets old pretty fast, because it lacks substance and emotion (just my opinion)). Listen to warm, heartfelt music that really moves you and turn up the volume! (You already have an excellent taste, since you are on this forum (unless you only like the up-tempo's of One Heart and don't care for the music which made Celine a super star in the first place...I'm just teasing...)). Support your local economy, by choosing small companies or stores instead of the big corporations. And be present in the moment, without continuously looking at your cell phone or tablet. And stay true to yourself. Don't get into negativity, fear, stress, or depression, because the light always wins... but only if you keep shining it!

Loved your comment!

If Celine is Illuminati? No. Is this really exits? Someone who sells the soul to devil? Devil exists? God exits? No one really really knows.....

Celine is roman catholic, She took the babies for baptism. She makes the cross sign during her performances, especially when she sings Parler a mon pere.

 

About the industry: yes, marketing. I don´t think she is so foolish or dumb to not realize the things her managers are telling her to do. Sure she knows. Yes, it sells. Well we are talking about it, don´t we? It´s normal, I don´t care...

Probably she does these things and laugh a lot, just for fun!

 

And Dionism, come to Brazil and you´ll see the most amazing blue skies!!!

 

You´re totally right. Live in love. Namaste!

[Lu CelineFan]

Oh wait the illuminati again? COME ON! Did you notice that she is a DEVOT Christian, wasn't that in her family she would have probably never been born!

 

sure they didn´t know about the pill

[Lu CelineFan]

This is really thought-provoking .... let us be clear, however, that this %1 is not just some loosely affiliated nebula of wealth, the reality IS in fact that the world's richest and most powerful people actually do have clubs, most of them secret, out of which they attempt to manipulate human affairs and increase their power, both over each other (sometimes) and the rest of the world. The pyramid represents the Bavarian Illuminati, which is in fact an off-shoot of the Jesuits, which are the Western world's true invisible hand. It does not represent all rich people, it is in fact specific to the culture and iconography of a particular group of people who control many other groups, governments, corporations, individuals, etc. It is unclear which level or sub-affiliate of this system controls the entertainment industry, but it is definitely involved. And again this is a specific group of people who controls most of the planet's wealth and uses every tool at its disposal to reify its philosophy and hide its intentions. This is a group interested not just in controlling the world but also creating reality. This is about humans trying to become gods. They certainly used Celine as a mouthpiece after 9/11 and conveniently scheduled their invasion of Iraq for her Vegas premiere. When she sang "It's a wonderful world," well what do you think she was doing? It wasn't a wonderful world right at that moment but somehow when Celine sang it she convinced us it was true. So we went to sleep feeling warm and fuzzy about Celine and America and Las Vegas and little babies and new days and nature boys instead of the war.

 

The thing about Celine and the Illuminati is this: if she is involved somehow, she doesn't know about it, because if she did, she would refuse to play along. Celine is a defender of MJ, and is likely among the group of people who believes that someone killed him out of malice. Michael was attacked by them because he could not be controlled; he was a god of his own volition, the leader of his own cult. He could have brought down the government if he spoke out against it, for a certain time. Obviously, Invincible was a message sent directly TO the elite. Because they could not control him, literally and figuratively, they destroyed him. Let us also consider Mariah Carey, who of all the great divas (entertainment Gods, artists with so much power as to have a god-like control over their fans / the masses) exhibits the most extreme symptoms of mind control. Glitter was intended as Miley-esque fodder for the masses on 9/11; what ended up happening was the the butterfly's programming broke down and she had some sort of mental breakdown. Let me just be the first to say that when you induce psychosis in someone through remote / manipulative / coercive means, it is very easy to get them to believe it was either their fault or that parts of it didn't happen. In any case, there is definitely a lot going on behind the scenes that we could not even begin to understand if it were real. I don't think Celine is mind-controlled (she doesn't need to be) but I do think that there are a lot of heavy hitters who call the shots behind the scenes and kind of guide her towards certain predetermined conclusions and that these people are all sort of affiliated with Rene in a way that Celine somehow fails to comprehend and she always trusts these people to tell her the right songs to sing and what to say, etc. They've been so successful in controlling her because the gambles have paid off, because it has served everyone's interest, especially hers, and also because she is so trusting and is sort of open to what other people want to make of her. When you're an open book, you open yourself up to being written on, or worse, for your story to be replaced. You must keep your book closed and only reveal its contents through metaphor, if you are going to be an artist. This is the book of life we are talking about, after all; if you leave it open all year your story will be erased by demons.

 

this is probably a Off topic inside Off topic....but I´d like to know more about Mariah 911 story. I didn´t get what you said.

[brujocrow]

Oh wait, my bad. I thought we were talking about a Chevy.

[SantiagoColorado]

You know Celine is not involved in the creative areas of her career, she only sings (sounds cold, I know), so she's not an illuminati member, but maybe somebody of her creative team is