Tyler1991 Posted December 18, 2010 at 12:01 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 12:01 AM This is a question I've pondered quite a bit. People usually just say the 90's, but we all know her voice has changed so much from 1990 to 1999, so to me that is not specific enough. It's a question that is really difficult to answer because Celine's voice, generally, has evolved the way a singer's voice should evolve. While it overall has gotten worse, she has preserved it well, and improved it in some ways. From 1990 to 2010 I'd almost say a 2 steps back, 1 step forward situation is what we have. A lot of you have probably already thought, "the FIY era, DUH!!!" , but I beg to differ. It is easy to jump straight to that conclusion given the facts - it is the era with some of her biggest songs, it was her longest and most extensive tour (both promo and the actual tour itself). This means we have more clips and performances from this tour than any other. Obviously, having more clips mean we will see more "greatness" from this era than the others. But it does not necessarily mean it was. 1991 - I really like her voice here! Her voice in the Unison concert is flawless. The F#5's at the end of Delivre-Moi, the E5 in Can't Live With You, Can't Live Without You, and great vocals all around. Her promos of Where Does My Heart Beat Now are almost all flawless. The performances we have of The Last To Know are flawless as well. She had some great belts in other songs like I Feel To Much, Love By Another Name, D'abord C'est Quoi L'amour, and Unison. 1992 - Much of what I said for 1991 is still said here. She delivered flawless vocals in her performance of If You Asked Me To on Arsenio Hall. Solidly belted E5's there. Watching her sing Love Can Move Mountains in this era where she actually sang the song the way it is supposed to be sang is amazing! Who knew this song had so many F5's in chest voice? LOL. The performances of Water From The Moon, Nothing Broken But My Heart, L'amour Existe Encore, and With This Tear are all perfection. All sang with such clarity and power that she would probably struggle to replicate today. 1993-1994 - This era throws me for a loop sometimes. Not very consistent. She sounded terrible on a couple performances of TPOL (President's Gala) but sounded her absolute best in another (Juno's Rehearsal - ha, no wonder...it's a rehearsal). This era lacked consistency. She was off in a few performances, but at her best in a few. Her rendition of Imagine is amazing - the D5 at the end is perhaps her best D5. Let's not forget the great belts in Can't Help Falling In Love, Only One Road, and Think Twice she did (though in this song she was even more inconsistent than she was with TPOL)! Vocally, it had her highest (?) abilities, but it was too inconsistent to be her best. 1995 - I kind of feel like this built on the highs seen in the previous era, yet with much more consistency. We'll start out with the D'eux tour. This is her greatest concert, vocally. She was spot-on the whole night. Le Blues Du Businessman, Quand On N'a Que L'amour, PQTME, Vole, Je Sais Pas, Calling You, and a few others were flawless from start to end. Her promo for PQTME also delivered some flawless performances, as did her performance of Think Twice on the WMA's. The only weak vocal moment I saw was heer performance of TPOL on the AMA's (this was 1995 right?). 1996-1997 - She maintained the consistency she had in 1995, but lost a little bit of that perfection. One example is the Brunei concert. She struggled with The Power Of Love and Natural Woman. In many of her promo performances, she would pull of ABM, but would struggle and often strain or crack. She provided us with some of her most stirring performances - Call The Man in Montreal, All By Myself at the Tonight Show, and a few others, but I really feel that she lost some of the clarity and natural power she had in her voice in the earlier years. Belting an F5 wasn't anywhere near as easy for her as it was in 1991 or 1992. The era had plenty of amazing performances, but they nearly all had SOMETHING to nit-pick at. 1998 - I think she gained back a little bit of the clarity here. She was able to belt an F and a G much easier than she was the previous era, as seen in Divas Live and a few perforances of The Reason. In some ways though it seems as if her voice began to thin out in her higher belts. She sounded great in a couple clips of ABM, but not so great in others - hence it being removed. Her performance of The Reason on the Lottery Show was fantastic and had great power. But more so than before, her power diminished as she got higher (Divas Live will be an exception). The belts seemed a little thinner, and at times strained - Treat Her Like A Lady at Essence Awards is an example. 1999 - Without a doubt her weakest year in the 90's. If it weren't for her performance on the Juno Awards than I'd think this was in the middle of Vegas. Perhaps all the touring, battle with Rene's cancer, and album-after-album pressure was building up. Her performances of That's The Way It Is were all terrible. Millennium concert was terrible and nasal as can be. The ACDS concert was mediocre. I detest the way she sang The Reason here - completely without any power. 2001 - It was clear she wasn't training her voice here. This is evident in the performance of LEE and the performance of GBA where she strains to hit notes she could so effortlessly hit before. 2002-2003 - a return to vocal form. She couldn't belt a G nearly as easily before, but she still managed (difficultly) on Divas Live. Though she did belt an A5 on the Today Show and it sounded powerful!! Her mid-range sounded as good as ever. The high notes in MHWGO were two of her best - ANDHC Special & World Children's Day. Her performance of The Prayer on this was amazing as well. Impeccable low notes in HYEBIL. Her lowest ever and they sounded damned good. Her low range certainly improved after career break. We finally got that performance of TTWII which wasn't utter crap like the ones in 1999. At this point, I'd say we're one step back, one forward. 2004-2006 - Terrible. Vegas got to her. LBDB on Symphonic show pretty much killed any chance of ever hearing that song again. Her performance of PQTME in 2006 was bad too. Doesn't help that the album being promoted spanned about a half an octave lol. It was most likely during this time where she picked up that terrible habit of overly-mixing everything over E5. Her performance of In Some Small Way on Leno was the only highlight amongst a lot of mediocrity. 2007 - She slowly returned to closely to what she was in 2002. With two albums, a promo tour coming up, a live DVD, and a world tour, she probably knew she needed to improve things. She sounded really nasal still in alot of performances (BYLM). River Deep Mountain High was as good as it had ever been in some ways, and better in other ways. One thing that is clear - and this could have been said as early as 2001 - she lost that umph in her voice (that ability to hit the grunted no's in Think Twice or really get into that final note in ABM). Her headvoice started to shine more and her upper belts started to get more and more mixed. Though she did sound really good up until D5 here. 2008-2009 - The mixing continued. Blah! But it seemed as if when she need to hit a chest note - she did. It mostly seemed to effect her ad-libs in LCMM. But it still bothers me a bit. Early on she changed the chest F5 in alone to a G5 mixed and the F#5 chest in Man's World to a G#5 mixed. Despite that, she sounded flawless on the chest notes she did do in that range - Alone and Man's World before being changed, River Deep, and Fade Away. Her one lone live attempt at the ABM note sounded better than nearly all of her versions in the 90's, so she still had it. This era seemed to be marked by good vocals, but bad techniques. Her head voice reigned here - amazing notes in Je Sais Pas, Dans Un Autre Monde, and IGTMIM. Well, there we have it! That took a hell of a long time to write! It's so hard for me to choose. Each era has something the others lack vocally. What's your take? Quote
CelineAndRene Posted December 18, 2010 at 12:44 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 12:44 AM (edited) My favourite year from Celine vocally would probably be '98-'02. Don't really have much to say, just my favourite time where she recorded many of my favourite songs, and had my favourite live performances, but I think I like her style and hair even more in this time... (I personally like all her imperfections in her live performances ) Edited December 18, 2010 at 12:48 AM by CelineAndRene Quote "...It's the circle of life. You gotta look forward. Two days during the year there's nothing you can do about: yesterday and tomorrow. Today is a great day." - Celine Dion, People.
Matias Posted December 18, 2010 at 01:57 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 01:57 AM I would say 93-96 she killed it back then! Quote http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maic6m257V1rbfceqo2_250.gif"No no, put it back..."
celinerific Posted December 18, 2010 at 02:27 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 02:27 AM (edited) She has been labelled quite often as the queen of the the 90s (in terms of the music industry) and I think that's spot on. But personally speaking, I looooved her when she came back with A New Day Has Come. That was love love love for me. Her voice sounded so new and so refreshed. Guess it was because she took two years off. But she looked and sounded unbelievable. :wub: Edited December 18, 2010 at 02:27 AM by celinerific Quote http://i58.tinypic.com/2qbub9c.png @ErikaTran | Insta: aireexwp | erikatran.com
corr_azy Posted December 18, 2010 at 03:16 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 03:16 AM I would have to say the Falling Into You era around 1996. There was a certain raspy quality to her voice then which I really liked. Quote
smw Posted December 18, 2010 at 05:11 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 05:11 AM (edited) There are elements of her voice that have stayed consistent since she began recording. And then there are elements of her voice that have drastically changed. More than anything, I miss her the tone she had for so long (but seems to have either strayed away from now…or can't do it anymore). That tone that we hear at the beginning of Seduces Me (Everything you are…..Everything you'll be…) or Falling Into You (And in your eyes…I see ribbons of color….) or The Reason (I figured it out…I was high and low and everything in between…). I just miss that incredible tone. But regardless of the "era" of Celine's voice - she can still deliver, especially if she rests and trains her voice. And not every "diva" who has been around and singing as long as Celine has can still deliver. I don't quite understand why she would sign herself up for vocally grueling shows in Vegas again. While I love the chance to see her live, I would much prefer her to keep resting her voice….and doing albums and tours more rarely. Like Barbra Streisand. She puts so much emphasis on concerts. But if she focused more on promotion - then that would put her back into the consciousness of not only her hardcore and causal fans - but back into the consciousness of EVERYONE. Edited December 18, 2010 at 05:15 AM by smw Quote
wjd Posted December 18, 2010 at 05:33 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 05:33 AM Firstly, an absolutely wonderful read Tyler1991 - possibly my favourite introduction to a topic at this site, so 'grats sir! <3 I agree with just about everything you wrote to - its so enlightening and humbling to read a contstructive analysis of Celine Dion by a big fan like yourself, that not only looks at her amazing highs, but also her dreadful lows. For me personally, her voice sounded at its most powerful during 1994-1995, and at its technical best 1997-1998. A combination of the two would result in an undeniable claim to the title of "best female singer" ever, but like you said Tyler1991, she had something missing in each era. I still think she ranks amongst the finest singers - male or female - of all-time, potentially the best ever. But she was never *perfect* in the literal sense - she had her fair share of perfect vocals, but she never had a perfect voice (but then nobody does do they). I also loved her voice 2002-2003 - so incredibly delicate with soaring power. She MUST train her voice and practice upon her return Quote Céline Dion, music's greatest ever singer, the biggest-selling Canadian artist of all-time and most successful female live act ever - what's not to love?
CelineAndRene Posted December 18, 2010 at 06:05 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 06:05 AM Firstly, an absolutely wonderful read Tyler1991 - possibly my favourite introduction to a topic at this site, so 'grats sir! <3 I agree with just about everything you wrote to - its so enlightening and humbling to read a contstructive analysis of Celine Dion by a big fan like yourself, that not only looks at her amazing highs, but also her dreadful lows. For me personally, her voice sounded at its most powerful during 1994-1995, and at its technical best 1997-1998. A combination of the two would result in an undeniable claim to the title of "best female singer" ever, but like you said Tyler1991, she had something missing in each era. I still think she ranks amongst the finest singers - male or female - of all-time, potentially the best ever. But she was never *perfect* in the literal sense - she had her fair share of perfect vocals, but she never had a perfect voice (but then nobody does do they). I also loved her voice 2002-2003 - so incredibly delicate with soaring power. She MUST train her voice and practice upon her return I agree on that, I love how brutally honest and VERY specific Tyler is. It's a great charted analysis. Quote "...It's the circle of life. You gotta look forward. Two days during the year there's nothing you can do about: yesterday and tomorrow. Today is a great day." - Celine Dion, People.
Tyler1991 Posted December 18, 2010 at 06:30 AM Author Posted December 18, 2010 at 06:30 AM I personally felt like I wasn't specific enough. I have tons of thoughts and ideas that I didn't write down lol.... but whatever. My ciritcal attitude may not always be popular around here, but I'm not going to be delusional about it. I just love the clarity she has in her voice in 1991 and 1992. She sounds so much.....richer, fuller, etc... Her upper chest belts here are the best! It's a shame we don't have footage of the CD tour. 3:00-3:45 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh4ZD7-I7IQI don't think she would have performed this with such clarity in the FIY tour. Especially the last note she did here....that F#5 is amazing. Her belts like that in the FIY era already sounded squeezed and thin. 1:50-2:20 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFQrtiRRhxcHer upper belts sounded great here too. Perhaps she was better E5-G5 in 1991-1993 and better C5-D5 later on. Quote
CelineAndRene Posted December 18, 2010 at 06:36 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 06:36 AM I personally felt like I wasn't specific enough. I'm glad you didn't write a(n) essay My eyes would burn Quote "...It's the circle of life. You gotta look forward. Two days during the year there's nothing you can do about: yesterday and tomorrow. Today is a great day." - Celine Dion, People.
Tyler1991 Posted December 18, 2010 at 07:08 AM Author Posted December 18, 2010 at 07:08 AM Geez! Listen to these chest notes! This is how LCMM should be performed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG90NlY0gnA - raw POWER @ 1:53-1:59, 2:27-2:31, 2:54-3:00, 3:28-3:38, 3:54, 4:00-4:03http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsCn_n7kjj4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JSJHfDIGsYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU5QzYUCXvY And this is the only lipped performance of LCMM....i thought none existed until I just found this: Wow, well, after seeing those old LCMM performances and seeing how the song should sound and how it does now, I can't help but think she'd be better off lipping this one because it's a disaster every time she performs it. The TCWT version was "above average from what we've had the last while or so, but still doesn't compare to earlier versions. Quote
duri Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:41 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:41 AM I think her best era vocally was 1995-1997. All her "hardest" songs to sing (TPOL, Think twice, IOCBTMN ...) sound absolutly amaizing in this era. Later she never sings those songs like before. Quote http://www.supermusic.sk/obrazky/80543_Celine%209.jpg
Celine Fan 77 Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:50 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:50 AM I think that she performed her songs the best way she could specially in the promo tours (I mean, when she was not lipping) For example, the (If there was) Any other way performances during the promo for Unison where amazing; those Love can move mountains performances you just said; the (You make me feel like a) Natural woman performance at The Late Show in 1997; Le blues du businessman at the Juno Awards 1999 (which is probably one of her best live performances ever); Sous le vent at Garou's concert in Bercy back in 2002... Maybe these are just cassualities, because, of course, there are some MASTERFUL performances from her tours, like All by myself from her Falling into you Concerts in Australia and Montreal back in 1996; Le blues du businessman from the D'eux Concert in Paris in 1995; Call the man from the Falling into you Concert in Memphis in 1997; the out-of-this-world high notes onJe sais pas at the Taking chances Concert in Montreal in 2008. (not the one that was included in the French DVD) By the way, I'd like to take this oportunity to tell you that I really admire you very much because of how many incredible things you know from Celine's live vocal range. You're the real deal man. Quote Tournée Européenne in Paris (December 1, 2013)Céline Dion Live 2016 in Antwerp (June 20, 2016)Céline Dion Live 2017 in Birmingham (July 27, 2017)
Timster Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:56 AM Posted December 18, 2010 at 10:56 AM (edited) Wow, a fantastic topic Tyler. Well done! Personally, I liked her voice most in 94-95, and 2002. The Olympia and D'eux performances are her most powerful ever, and her voice during the 2002 comeback was so fresh and clear. I especially like the World Children's Day performances. While the FIY/LTAL era was great, I think her voice was more raspy in some cases (especially ABM), and it gradually got thinner. However, I'm not gonna discount the other years. 98/99 had some very good performances, and RDMH in Vegas 2007 was the best version ever. Edited December 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM by Timster Quote
Bell Posted December 18, 2010 at 01:21 PM Posted December 18, 2010 at 01:21 PM Maybe the early 1990s was her best. Quote 16 YEARS A FORUM MEMBER
Tyler1991 Posted December 18, 2010 at 02:30 PM Author Posted December 18, 2010 at 02:30 PM I disagree. ABM in Australia was very strained. JSP has never not disappointed me. Her best attempt was the D'eux Tour. The bridge of this song is supposed to have tons of belts in it but watch the tour DVD and you won't hear a single belt. She mixes this part of the song so much that it takes away the power. I think she overall performed the songs at their best in the promo. But I think the LBDB performance at Paris was better than the Juno's. Quote
Sofie Posted December 18, 2010 at 03:27 PM Posted December 18, 2010 at 03:27 PM I personally think 95-96 was great years for her vocally. Her voice was so clear and she could carry really long notes. It was in the middle of the golden days and there's a reason for that. 2002 was also a great year with ANDHC, many good songs on that album and a strong voice. Even if she had even longer notes before I really like how her voice has changed over the years and is more deep now than it was back then. Quote
Timster Posted December 18, 2010 at 04:01 PM Posted December 18, 2010 at 04:01 PM JSP has never not disappointed me. Her best attempt was the D'eux Tour. The bridge of this song is supposed to have tons of belts in it but watch the tour DVD and you won't hear a single belt. She mixes this part of the song so much that it takes away the power. The song is not supposed to have belts in the bridge at all, listen the orginal and the 90s performances! She just added them in the tour, but I reckon they told her not to do it for the DVD recording, cos one of the Montreal concerts she did nothing and that was the performance used for the DVD. Quote
Prince Whiskers Posted December 18, 2010 at 04:58 PM Posted December 18, 2010 at 04:58 PM There are elements of her voice that have stayed consistent since she began recording. And then there are elements of her voice that have drastically changed. More than anything, I miss her the tone she had for so long (but seems to have either strayed away from now…or can't do it anymore). That tone that we hear at the beginning of Seduces Me (Everything you are…..Everything you'll be…) or Falling Into You (And in your eyes…I see ribbons of color….) or The Reason (I figured it out…I was high and low and everything in between…). I just miss that incredible tone. She lost the velvety smoothness and some beautiful nuances after ANDHC and 1f4t. Quote http://cdn.webecoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/modern-pet-solo-blown-glass.jpg
dj4celine Posted December 18, 2010 at 05:40 PM Posted December 18, 2010 at 05:40 PM Like Wayne said, it's one heck of a post and one heck of a thread, so well done, Tyler! It's very difficult to choose a particular 'era' because there have been several ups and downs throughout her performances along her career. But it's to be expected as except a few artists, everyone struggles with their live performances. But I'm still proud and glad that she has given us several memorable ones. Her 90s era had several highlights throughout, but post-2000, the one that really stands out to me are the ANDHC special performances, Et Je T'aime Encore live from the Telethon, and my fav, the ISSW performance at the Tonight Show. There maybe and definitely has been more, but these are a few that pop in my mind when I think about fav ones. My ciritcal attitude may not always be popular around here, but I'm not going to be delusional about it. Which is why, you are one of my fav posters here. You one of the few who are not deluded by everything she does, or whatever crap her team comes out with, for which I admire you a lot. Quote
Tyler1991 Posted December 18, 2010 at 08:32 PM Author Posted December 18, 2010 at 08:32 PM (edited) JSP has never not disappointed me. Her best attempt was the D'eux Tour. The bridge of this song is supposed to have tons of belts in it but watch the tour DVD and you won't hear a single belt. She mixes this part of the song so much that it takes away the power. The song is not supposed to have belts in the bridge at all, listen the orginal and the 90s performances! She just added them in the tour, but I reckon they told her not to do it for the DVD recording, cos one of the Montreal concerts she did nothing and that was the performance used for the DVD. You completely did not understand what I meant at all. I don't count those screechy mixed G5 cat yells that you're talking about as a belt. I'm talking about the actual lyrics of the song. Listen to 3:09-3:32 here - And compare it with 3:14-3:37 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBc2-sgNas&feature=fvsr As you can see, the first one is solid belts. The second is just.... bad. This is what I'm talking about. Her power to belt out strong parts like this, Unison, and Seduces Me is pretty much gone....and if it is still their then she isn't showing us. When the climax is just one word, she manages that fine. When it's an entire verse, she doesn't. Like Wayne said, it's one heck of a post and one heck of a thread, so well done, Tyler! It's very difficult to choose a particular 'era' because there have been several ups and downs throughout her performances along her career. But it's to be expected as except a few artists, everyone struggles with their live performances. But I'm still proud and glad that she has given us several memorable ones. Her 90s era had several highlights throughout, but post-2000, the one that really stands out to me are the ANDHC special performances, Et Je T'aime Encore live from the Telethon, and my fav, the ISSW performance at the Tonight Show. There maybe and definitely has been more, but these are a few that pop in my mind when I think about fav ones. My ciritcal attitude may not always be popular around here, but I'm not going to be delusional about it. Which is why, you are one of my fav posters here. You one of the few who are not deluded by everything she does, or whatever crap her team comes out with, for which I admire you a lot. Thanks! Lol, glad there are a handful of people I haven't offended....yet! LOL Edited December 18, 2010 at 08:33 PM by Tyler1991 Quote
Mary17 Posted December 18, 2010 at 11:32 PM Posted December 18, 2010 at 11:32 PM (edited) 91-96 Edited December 18, 2010 at 11:33 PM by Mary17 Quote
PuraVida Posted December 19, 2010 at 01:39 AM Posted December 19, 2010 at 01:39 AM I agree---she was killer in some early 90s stuff--as we see on Arsenio Hall. And yes, her performances of LCMM of the past ten years have been just her beeping and bopping all over the place; her performance of it at the 2004 World Music Awards where she received a crown jewel of awards in the Chopard Diamond Awards simply broke my heart. 97-98 is what I say...not only did she deliver All By Myself, what I consider to be her hardest song, with breathtaking ease...she also delivered her best produced low notes..such as the Eb3 from 1998 New York's "Love is on the Way"... It's a shame we don't have more footage from that tour pre-1999.. Quote
Timster Posted December 19, 2010 at 09:57 AM Posted December 19, 2010 at 09:57 AM JSP has never not disappointed me. Her best attempt was the D'eux Tour. The bridge of this song is supposed to have tons of belts in it but watch the tour DVD and you won't hear a single belt. She mixes this part of the song so much that it takes away the power. The song is not supposed to have belts in the bridge at all, listen the orginal and the 90s performances! She just added them in the tour, but I reckon they told her not to do it for the DVD recording, cos one of the Montreal concerts she did nothing and that was the performance used for the DVD. You completely did not understand what I meant at all. I don't count those screechy mixed G5 cat yells that you're talking about as a belt. I'm talking about the actual lyrics of the song. Listen to 3:09-3:32 here - And compare it with 3:14-3:37 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBc2-sgNas&feature=fvsr As you can see, the first one is solid belts. The second is just.... bad. Oh I see, you mean the ending/climax of JSP. When you said 'bridge' I was thinking of the guitar solo. Quote
pat200 Posted December 19, 2010 at 12:20 PM Posted December 19, 2010 at 12:20 PM (edited) her prime vocally was the 93-97 years. this is where her tone developed to that crystal clear pure voice. Her voice was the most flexible and her ability to go up and down the scale was as smooth as any voice was ever able to do. Her transitions were also very smooth. her 90-92 voice was still undergoing some transformations and her belts were always strained because her range was still lower than the next era, however the power was the strongest in this era. Between 98-2002, her voice started thinning out in the high belts and in fact this is the era where she started to rely on mixed high belting rather than the normal chest belting of the yesteryears. 2003 voice was starting to show that her technique is suffering as well as the fact that she was relying heavily on mixed belting and she started to use her head voice more often. her tone became very nasal in the 04-07 years but only to preserve her voice. However this is where her technique, her phrasing and enunciation suffered more than in any other era. She adopted some tics that stayed with her till now unfortunately. However she did slightly improve in the 08-2010 years even though she kept most of the vocal tips she got in vegas. her upper and lower ranges were improved on a positive note. however since 2003 her high belts were becoming more like screams, again a tic she got during that damn vegas run. what will the future hold for her vocally, i have no idea. but in y'a pas de mots, she showed some small signs that she is somehow trying to improve, which is a good sign that an artist still enjoys using his instrument. i would also like to add that her voice between 81 and 2010 has been transforming constantly in an astonishing way, and each transformation, be it for the better or the worse, has been very interesting to watch and analyze. no voice has ever been perfect, but as a singer - not a screamer or soul singer or constant ad libber in reference to other singers who shall not be mentioned, which means a chanteuse, straight up singing - hers was the closest to perfection in that 94-96 era (can expand it to 93-97 era) Edited December 19, 2010 at 12:29 PM by pat200 Quote
Bellamy Posted December 19, 2010 at 12:56 PM Posted December 19, 2010 at 12:56 PM Very nice post. It's very hard to pick one era. Maybe 1996, when I became a fan. Quote Please support the forum by ordering everything through our special Amazon.com link Click here. Thank you!
Tyler1991 Posted December 19, 2010 at 08:03 PM Author Posted December 19, 2010 at 08:03 PM her prime vocally was the 93-97 years. this is where her tone developed to that crystal clear pure voice. Her voice was the most flexible and her ability to go up and down the scale was as smooth as any voice was ever able to do. Her transitions were also very smooth. her 90-92 voice was still undergoing some transformations and her belts were always strained because her range was still lower than the next era, however the power was the strongest in this era. Between 98-2002, her voice started thinning out in the high belts and in fact this is the era where she started to rely on mixed high belting rather than the normal chest belting of the yesteryears. 2003 voice was starting to show that her technique is suffering as well as the fact that she was relying heavily on mixed belting and she started to use her head voice more often. her tone became very nasal in the 04-07 years but only to preserve her voice. However this is where her technique, her phrasing and enunciation suffered more than in any other era. She adopted some tics that stayed with her till now unfortunately. However she did slightly improve in the 08-2010 years even though she kept most of the vocal tips she got in vegas. her upper and lower ranges were improved on a positive note. however since 2003 her high belts were becoming more like screams, again a tic she got during that damn vegas run. what will the future hold for her vocally, i have no idea. but in y'a pas de mots, she showed some small signs that she is somehow trying to improve, which is a good sign that an artist still enjoys using his instrument. i would also like to add that her voice between 81 and 2010 has been transforming constantly in an astonishing way, and each transformation, be it for the better or the worse, has been very interesting to watch and analyze. no voice has ever been perfect, but as a singer - not a screamer or soul singer or constant ad libber in reference to other singers who shall not be mentioned, which means a chanteuse, straight up singing - hers was the closest to perfection in that 94-96 era (can expand it to 93-97 era) I agree with a lot of what you say, but I personally noticed a lot more strain in 1997 than I do in 90-92. She strained in a handful of ABM performances, her Natural Woman performances, and a few others. I never really noticed a whole lot of strain at all in 90-92. To me, she sounded more clear in 90-92 also. I think she was more consisteny in 97ish, but not as good as 90-92. It's a bit difficult because we have about 10x more performances from 1997 than we do 1990-1992. Also, I'd like to say I disagree with the poster who said we had her best low notes in 1997-1998. Most of her low notes in this era were just breaths that descended low - Seduces Me for example. I think she sounded the best in low notes in 2003 with Have You Ever Been In Love, where she hit her lowest note ever, and it was an actual word, not a breath. Other songs like Fever and I've Got the World On A String produced great low notes. Quote
pat200 Posted December 19, 2010 at 08:56 PM Posted December 19, 2010 at 08:56 PM (edited) Tyler, in 90-92 her E5 and higher belts were more strained than in 97 in the sense that they didn't sound as pleasant and full as they did in 97. In the 90-92 era her records sounded like she was forcing the notes out, whereas in the 97 era she was getting them out with ease, but not necessarily sounding nice while doing so. I base this analysis on the recorded music from her albums because we dont have a lot from the 90-92 era live performances. Now live performances of ABM and Natural Woman were strained simply due to the fact that she had a very hectic schedule starting from 96 with the success of the FIY album. It is in this era that she started lipping noticeably. She had to, simply to be able to make it through her performances. Then you go to 98 where she was hitting G5s live with more ease. That is when she realized she needed to mix more and started doing it more often (which is the right way to do it not to hurt your chords!!) Edited December 19, 2010 at 08:58 PM by pat200 Quote
NancyxxM Posted December 19, 2010 at 09:11 PM Posted December 19, 2010 at 09:11 PM I'm in love with the year 1994 Quote http://www.socal.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1987-jane_seymour6.jpg Jane Seymour. Celine Dion.
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