Figures for Celine albums, up-to-date

[keithster_799]

thanks!!

[Ronny83]

truly, I have seen this figures about one month ago.

"One month ago" is not so long ago. It shows they used up-to-date figures. The book "25 ans d'amour" has been printed 1 month ago and released on June, 19th.

 

I try hard to find out the selling figures but in vain.....I dont think SonyBMG would offer the selling figures before the album "Incognito".It's strange！(SonyBMG is always lazy to count the selling figures)

And if they were official,they would have been post in official website.

With this doubtful points,sorry,it still hard to convince me to believe this figures,but thanks for the informations.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Okay, no one wants you to believe it. Sorry, I'm crazy and I pretended all these.

 

In Madonna lies the truth.

 

 

Is there any Céline fan to discuss about these data outta here?

 

Ronny,

is this book really offical???

I ask because all those numbers are the ones I had on my website. But I removed them because everybody said their are much to higher.

And now I see them here (they are exacly the same). I'm so confused 

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Yes, they are official. The book has been authorized by Sony BMG (as you can read in the last page of the book).

 

Did you have these data organized in the same way they did?

[max24]

I can't wait to see those figures, thanks Ronny!!!!    

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You're welcome, but please do not post these data on other forums.

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Ronny,

those numbers were on my site since 2002 (updated later). Many fans argued with me that they are wrong (fans from ukmix forum).

You can't ask me not to post my own numbers.

I have no idea who did that book but he copied all my numbers and I must tell you that those numbers are wrong. That's why I removed them (today morning exact after another fight about this in ukmix forum).

EVERY NUMBER IS THE SAME!! I did estimations, it's impossible that all my number were so correct!!!! Someone copied them from my site, but my site is not official so this book sucks. Only sales in countries is correct (because we know certifications).

[OnlyCeline]

Thanx!

[Ronny83]

Ronny,

those numbers were on my site since 2002 (updated later). Many fans argued with me that they are wrong (fans from ukmix forum).

You can't ask me not to post my own numbers.

I have no idea who did that book but he copied all my numbers and I must tell you that those numbers are wrong. That's why I removed them (today morning exact after another fight about this in ukmix forum).

EVERY NUMBER IS THE SAME!! I did estimations, it's impossible that all my number were so correct!!!! Someone copied them from my site, but my site is not official so this book sucks. Only sales in countries is correct (because we know certifications).

       

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Oh, so you don't need to post them now, if they were already on your website and you posted those data long time ago.

 

It means they are fake and they copied from you.

 

I don't think you need to "copy" fake info.

 

[mirage]

wowowow celine is the best

[max24]

Ronny,

those numbers were on my site since 2002 (updated later). Many fans argued with me that they are wrong (fans from ukmix forum).

You can't ask me not to post my own numbers.

I have no idea who did that book but he copied all my numbers and I must tell you that those numbers are wrong. That's why I removed them (today morning exact after another fight about this in ukmix forum).

EVERY NUMBER IS THE SAME!! I did estimations, it's impossible that all my number were so correct!!!! Someone copied them from my site, but my site is not official so this book sucks. Only sales in countries is correct (because we know certifications).

       

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Oh, so you don't need to post them now, if they were already on your website and you posted those data long time ago.

 

It means they are fake and they copied from you.

 

I don't think you need to "copy" fake info.

 

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Yes yes, I know. I just can't believe they did this. I hoped I could get some real official infos from this book. But it appears they don't have them. They just copied infos from some fan's site

I can prove that some of those total sales figures are much to higher. I made them up hoping Celine could sell that much, but now after getting infos from over 30 countries around the world I'm sure Celine hasn't sell that much.

 

HOW COULD THEY DID THIS AND SAY IT'S OFFICIAL????!!!!!!!!

[Ronny83]

Yes yes, I know. I just can't believe they did this. I hoped I could get some real official infos from this book. But it appears they don't have them. They just copied infos from some fan's site 

I can prove that some of those total sales figures are much to higher. I made them up hoping Celine could sell that much, but now after getting infos from over 30 countries around the world I'm sure Celine hasn't sell that much.

 

HOW COULD THEY DID THIS AND SAY IT'S OFFICIAL????!!!!!!!!

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Could you prove us they copied everything from your site? Thank you.

[Bellamy]

Yes yes, I know. I just can't believe they did this. I hoped I could get some real official infos from this book. But it appears they don't have them. They just copied infos from some fan's site 

I can prove that some of those total sales figures are much to higher. I made them up hoping Celine could sell that much, but now after getting infos from over 30 countries around the world I'm sure Celine hasn't sell that much.

 

HOW COULD THEY DID THIS AND SAY IT'S OFFICIAL????!!!!!!!!

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How you can prove they copied your numbers? others could have the same estimate. also do you have proof of you posted exact same numbers before?

 

And I don't think you have all correct data of everywhere. And these are shipment figues, not retail numbers.

[max24]

Yes yes, I know. I just can't believe they did this. I hoped I could get some real official infos from this book. But it appears they don't have them. They just copied infos from some fan's site 

I can prove that some of those total sales figures are much to higher. I made them up hoping Celine could sell that much, but now after getting infos from over 30 countries around the world I'm sure Celine hasn't sell that much.

 

HOW COULD THEY DID THIS AND SAY IT'S OFFICIAL????!!!!!!!!

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Could you prove us they copied everything from your site? Thank you.

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YOU SHOULD ASK FANS WHO VISITED MY SITE (those numbers were there all the time till today morning). Believe me, they are not official. I can't believe it they did this

[Ronny83]

YOU SHOULD ASK FANS WHO VISITED MY SITE (those numbers were there all the time till today morning). Believe me, they are not official. I can't believe it they did this     

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Did you have the figures arranged EXACTLY like they did? I mean PRECISELY.

 

Or they "copied" just the total number per album?

[neill2407]

interesting figures.

[max24]

Yes yes, I know. I just can't believe they did this. I hoped I could get some real official infos from this book. But it appears they don't have them. They just copied infos from some fan's site 

I can prove that some of those total sales figures are much to higher. I made them up hoping Celine could sell that much, but now after getting infos from over 30 countries around the world I'm sure Celine hasn't sell that much.

 

HOW COULD THEY DID THIS AND SAY IT'S OFFICIAL????!!!!!!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How you can prove they copied your numbers? others could have the same estimate. also do you have proof of you posted exact same numbers before?

 

And I don't think you have all correct data of everywhere. And these are shipment figues, not retail numbers.

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I must leave home now, but I want to continue this doscussion tommorow.

I'm not talking about my rights to those numbers. I don't care that they copied results of my work.

I just can't believe that they published it as official. I say again: EVERY total sales estimation is the same (not just one or two). I made up those numbers long time ago and put on my website.

I will continue thios discussion tommorow.

Bye

[Ronny83]

I must leave home now, but I want to continue this doscussion tommorow.

I'm not talking about my rights to those numbers. I don't care that they copied results of my work.

I just can't believe that they published it as official. I say again: EVERY total sales estimation is the same (not just one or two). I made up those numbers long time ago and put on my website.

I will continue thios discussion tommorow.

Bye

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I don't know your site. I've just posted what I found in the magazine (everyone here who has it can check by himself!).

 

But if you say this, I believe in you.

 

Here is another case of lack of caring for Céline. Céline's team can't do its work properly. And it really sucks.

 

We don't need to discuss it tomorrow, I believe in you. I think they could have done it and "copied" it from your website or other sites where you took your info.

[celine_sender]

yeah. IT`s our celine!

[Céline's Blues]

I mean max could be right - they forgot about Live In Vegas completely! And it could be that on his site he didn't have sales for this album, either!

 

Apart from that you could go to archive.org to see what was on his site earlier on.

[Viva las Vegas]

I mean max could be right - they forgot about Live In Vegas completely! And it could be that on his site he didn't have sales for this album, either!

 

Apart from that you could go to archive.org to see what was on his site earlier on.

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Thanks for the information about archive.org

 

I think max24 is right, that's what he wrote on his website concerning the sales. Most of them are the same as from the "25 ans d'amour" book. This following chart is from March 10th 2005:

 

1. La voix du bon Dieu 50.000 1981

2. Celine Dion chante Noel 25.000 1981

3. Tellement j'ai d'amour pour toi 125.000 1982

4. Les chemins de ma maison 150.000 1983

5. Du soleil ou coeur 50.000 1983

6. Chants et contes de Noel 75.000 1983

7. Melanie 175.000 1984

8. Les oiseaux du bonheur 50.000 1984

9. Les plus grand succes de Celine Dion 75.000 1984

10. C'est pour toi 50.000 1985

11. Celine Dion en concert 50.000 1985

12. Les chansons en or 150.000 1986

13. Incognito 500.000 1987 1988 1992

14. The best of / Vivre 100.000 1988

15. Unison 3.000.000 1990 1991

16. Des mots qui sonnent / Dion chante Plamondon 2.000.000 1991 1992 1994

17. Celine Dion 5.000.000 1992

18. The colour of my love 18.000.000 1993 1994

19. Les premieres annees 200.000 1993

20. A l'Olympia 1.500.000 1994

21. D'eux / The French album 8.000.000 1995 1996

22. Gold vol.1 / For you / Ne partez pas sans moi / La romance / Classique - a love collection / Les premieres chansons vol.1 250.000 1995 1996

23. Gold vol.2 / Les premieres chansons vol.2 100.000 1995

24. Falling into you 32.000.000 1996

25. Live a Paris 3.000.000 1996 1997

26. C'est pour vivre / En amour / Amour / The French love album / Mon ami / Les premieres annees ? 1995 1997 1999 2000 2001

27. The collection 1982 - 1988 / C'est pour toi / Amour / Sus canciones mas bellas (2-CD) ? 1997 1998

28. Let's talk about love 31.500.000 1997

29. S'il suffisait d'aimer 6.000.000 1998 1999

30. These are special times 10.000.000 1998

31. Au coeur du stade 1.000.000 1999 2000

32. The early singles ? 1999

33. All the way... a decade of song 17.000.000 1999

34. The collector's series volume one / Tout en amour 3.000.000 2000

35. Les indispensables ? 2001

36. A new day has come 9.000.000 2002

37. One heart ?6.000.000 2003

38. 1 fille & 4 types ? 2003

39. A new day...live in Las Vegas ? 2004

40. Miracle 2.500.00 2004

[Céline's Blues]

Yeah, cuzz there is no way SISDA sold 6 million copies! It did cross the 3 millions mark worldwide but not much more than this.

[firebird]

In fact many of the numbers you had on your site, have already been posted on other websites or forums like Passion Celine Dion website. They are old, and already back when the site was still working they were exagerated.

You can never get accurate sales figures, only estimations, and of course SonyBMG will always "authorize" the highest estimations they can find. I doubt they sat there and counted all her certifications from all the countries in the world. Does the book say what their source is?

[SarahJB5]

Way to go Celine, simply the best, nothing else to say!

[catwomanrrr]

185 MILLION ALBUMS!!!!!!!!!!

 

Lambs can shut up now. One Heart sold almost as many as MIMI. 

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WorldWide sales

Mariah Carey - The Emancipation Of Mimi

Island - 7.735.000 copies

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The crazy lambs (MOST but not all lambs, because some are nice lambs LOL) like to go around and broadcast, MARIAH CAREY HAS SOLD 225 MILLION RECORDS!

 

Someone, PLEASE get me some shears!

 

Okay, now if we count Celine's singles, how many has she sold IN TOTAL???

[Paulinha Dion]

Thanks for the info.. I loved it.. and saved on my pc as well hihi

[max24]

Actually those numbers taken from archive.org were on my website very long time ago. Later they were the same as in the book (I updated them in 2005). It's very possible that others (also unofficial) websites posted similar (for example wikipedia). But I'm glad that you believe me.

 

I may be a chart freak but I'm reasonable. That's why searching for Celine's chart history I wanted it to be closest to the thruth. Back in 2002 (when I started my website) I didn't know much about charts. Now much more info can be found on the internet. A lot of Celine's chart infos I got by e-mailing people from music industry (mostly there's no replay, but sometimes (France, New Zealand, Canada or others) peple are very nice and helpful). So everything I posted in topic about Complete Chart History is in 99% official and sure.

 

Thank's to all those infos from over 30 countries, I gathered this year, I know that TOTAL SALES estimations I posted on my website in 2002 and changed them later were TO HIGH. Celine couldn't sell that much. So I removed that info from my website - it was the only thing unsure in Celine's chart history. Particular country's chart info is easier to find.

 

Inspiration for me was the fact that in 2002 there were many websites about Celine but none of them talked about chart history. So I created one like that - only about charts. I couldn't stand that everybody talked how mariah or madonna are selling great but we didn't know nothing about Celine's sales. I've searched this year for all those additional countries infos for myself and for few others who are interested. And I posted it here and in others forums so that fans could know that not only mariah is the chart queen, so that Celine's chart history wasn't a secret anymore!

 

I'm so dissapointed for what SONYBMG did with this book. Not important that they took those numbers from my site or some other fansite, the most horrible is that they took numbers from totally UNOFFICIAL source and made it official. How could they???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't they have their own statistics??? Don't they know how much Celine's has sold?????????????? I have no respect for them. Well, I shouldn't be suprised - they NEVER said much about Celine's chart success, why would they now?

 

Total sales of Celine's album will stay mistery forever I guess. I waited so long for official info about that and all I got is this book - worth nothing.

Knowing charts from 30 coutries I could make my own estimations now and I assure you that they would be much less than in 25 ans d'amour book.

 

I would love to see your comments about that "BOOK GATE"...

Edited July 2, 2006 at 07:40 AM by max24

[firebird]

I'm so dissapointed for what SONYBMG did with this book. Not important that they took those numbers from my site or some other fansite, the most horrible is that they took numbers from totally UNOFFICIAL source and made it official.

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The book was published by a Canadian TV station (TVA). I doubt SonyBMG really read the book. They just looked at the cover "Yes, nice picture, we authorize it" :

The thing is that record companies always make a big secret about sales. It's easier to get certification figures from the RIAA or IFPI archives, but the problem is that they want money from the record companies to update the certifications.

[Ronny83]

I'm so dissapointed for what SONYBMG did with this book. Not important that they took those numbers from my site or some other fansite, the most horrible is that they took numbers from totally UNOFFICIAL source and made it official.

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The book was published by a Canadian TV station (TVA). I doubt SonyBMG really read the book. They just looked at the cover "Yes, nice picture, we authorize it" :

The thing is that record companies always make a big secret about sales. It's easier to get certification figures from the RIAA or IFPI archives, but the problem is that they want money from the record companies to update the certifications.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Maybe you don't have the book. The last page is Sony BMG's congratulations for Céline's 25th anniversary of her carreer. So Sony BMG should have for sure approved the data published in the book.

[firebird]

Yes, you're right. We all know how important Celine is to them. I'm sure they read the book word by word and approved it then

[Ronny83]

Yes, you're right. We all know how important Celine is to them. I'm sure they read the book word by word and approved it then   

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BTW, on the book it is written that some of Céline's early albums were sold only on reservation. Did they find this info on your site, too, max? I forgot to post it before. It's just my curiosity.

Edited July 2, 2006 at 01:56 PM by Ronny83

[RRphantom]

I'm so dissapointed for what SONYBMG did with this book. Not important that they took those numbers from my site or some other fansite, the most horrible is that they took numbers from totally UNOFFICIAL source and made it official.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The book was published by a Canadian TV station (TVA). I doubt SonyBMG really read the book. They just looked at the cover "Yes, nice picture, we authorize it" :

The thing is that record companies always make a big secret about sales. It's easier to get certification figures from the RIAA or IFPI archives, but the problem is that they want money from the record companies to update the certifications.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I approve your aspects

[max24]

Yes, you're right. We all know how important Celine is to them. I'm sure they read the book word by word and approved it then   

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BTW, on the book it is written that some of Céline's early albums were sold only on reservation. Did they find this info on your site, too, max? I forgot to post it before. It's just my curiosity.

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No, I know nothing about this.

 

By the way, if you want I can post here my own total sales estimations. I believe they will be closest to the thruth....

[Ronny83]

No, I know nothing about this.

 

By the way, if you want I can post here my own total sales estimations. I believe they will be closest to the thruth....

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No, I believe in you. It was just a lil' curiosity. E.g. La Voix Du Bon Dieu is reported as "on reservation", it should mean that if you wanted this album you should have booked it in a music shop, I suppose. At least, they didn't copy this.