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[Celinelife]

Weirdest part is that now that Celine said something about this song in twitter but she never mentioned that she recorded a song. It looked more of a friend saying congratulations to another friend kind of thing. She didn't even mention Superwoman. Same with TFY, she said some words about it but indirectly. She has to stop doing that. Another example is of using word Courage over and over, that's not the promotion she thinks it is

[PuraVida]

Celinelife, on 28 August 2021 - 07:35 AM, said:

Weirdest part is that now that Celine said something about this song in twitter but she never mentioned that she recorded a song. It looked more of a friend saying congratulations to another friend kind of thing. She didn't even mention Superwoman. Same with TFY, she said some words about it but indirectly. She has to stop doing that. Another example is of using word Courage over and over, that's not the promotion she thinks it is

I think Celine doesn't like to self-promote, and she probably thinks people will listen to it anyway.

[Unisono]

DionFanAlways, on 28 August 2021 - 05:18 AM, said:

It just dies for me after the second verse. So repetitive...

Right, and the last chorus seems even slower and with less beat and power than the first two ones. The bridge, on the other hand, sounds so 90s... It deserves an orchestra otherwise it gets boring, which means a different producer, a different budget and maybe a different aim.

[Nmj]

Céline RO, on 28 August 2021 - 03:18 AM, said:

Or when the writers of “The Chase” came to see her in Toronto and posed with her backstage. She even posted the photo and commented, mentioning “The Chase” but didn’t perform it

One of the biggest disappointments in Celine’s live shows is her ability to change it up on a random notice. She seems to strictly rehearse a show and then won’t really shy away from the setlist under any circumstances unless a new song drops and they record it like “Ashes” for example. I wish she’d just allow herself the ability to sometimes rehearse a different song on rehearsals and go with it  and change things up sometimes. She gets comfortable and doesn’t like change UNLESS it’s a major change like a revamp of a show.

[Nmj]

PuraVida, on 28 August 2021 - 07:44 AM, said:

I think Celine doesn't like to self-promote, and she probably thinks people will listen to it anyway.

Celine doesn’t like to self promote is crap, no offense anyway. She promotes what she wants to promote and not promote. She had no problem promoting the ugly children clothing line, and other people’s songs in her shows.

[Del]

Shaun, on 28 August 2021 - 02:08 AM, said:

Remember when René wouldn’t let her record “That’s Just The Woman In Me” for over 15 years because he KNEW that’s not what people wanted to hear from her? He knew people wanted to hear “proper” Celine, not the weird way she sounded on that song.

Of course he finally relented and let her include it on “Taking Chances” but the reality is I don’t think she has anyone alongside her now to say “don’t record that song” or “you need to try harder” or “try that again” etc. It’s obvious.

This may be an unpopular opinion and in no way disrespecting Rene, but I personally think he sometimes had too much control over her career and didn't let her make enough choices. Rene made all the decisions and while it's brought great success and results I do feel that this has given her an even bigger craving to try new things now that she has more control.  It's also given fans expectations that I feel she can no longer deliver on.

As for Superwoman, I like the message the song is giving us better than the song itself.  I also think the way she sings suits the song because had it been perfect soaring vocals it would have contradicted the message that the song delivers.

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[PuraVida]

Nmj, on 28 August 2021 - 08:38 AM, said:

Celine doesn’t like to self promote is crap, no offense anyway. She promotes what she wants to promote and not promote. She had no problem promoting the ugly children clothing line, and other people’s songs in her shows.

I think that's a bit harsh. I am not defending her approach, I just believe that is how she as an individual thinks. And she got paid for that children's line, which was only really half promotion because her name was attached but otherwise she wasn't involved.

She either doesn't like the song and doesn't want to promote it, or she is yielding to her general reluctance to push her stuff. What her team is doing is a whole separate matter.

Maybe she promoted it on her Instagram or Facebook? A lot of what she does on those platforms doesn't get mentioned on the forum as much

[PuraVida]

Del, on 28 August 2021 - 08:50 AM, said:

This may be an unpopular opinion and in no way disrespecting Rene, but I personally think he sometimes had too much control over her career and didn't let her make enough choices. Rene made all the decisions and while it's brought great success and results I do feel that this has given her an even bigger craving to try new things now that she has more control.  It's also given fans expectations that I feel she can no longer deliver on.

As for Superwoman, I like the message the song is giving us better than the song itself.  I also think the way she sings suits the song because had it been perfect soaring vocals it would have contradicted the message that the song delivers.

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"Superwoman" by Patti Labelle, Gladys Knight, and Dionne Warwick basically has the same message, and yet they deliver crisp vocals. I hate this idea that you have to compromise to get very emotional, forceful, or soulful with a song.


Regarding Rene, I believe that's how Celine wanted the division. She wanted to just sing her songs and let Rene handle that stuff. I believe her when she said they were one. I am sure there are probably times when she told him "no, and no is final", and then other times where he succeeded in making her do stuff she otherwise didn't want to do. Like record MHWGO. It's interesting though that with almost every English album she repeated something like "finally, I am more invovled"....

[blacktooth]

MTJ, on 26 August 2021 - 09:12 PM, said:

As I hear:

Are you expecting some kind of perfect perfection?
Can you accept anything less?
And you think that I can move mountains with my hands?
'Cause all I can do is do my best.

I'm only human, made out of flesh and blood.

I bruise, I bleed, I'm not a superwoman,
can't be your superwoman.
I'm strong, I'm weak, I'm not a superwoman,
can't be your superwoman.

I'm just me.
I'm just me.
I'm just me.

I run hot, I run cold.
I'm ugly, I'm beautiful.
Don't put me on a pedestal I'm only going to fall off.

'Cause I'm only human.
I'm only human, flesh and blood.
I'm only human.

I bruise, I bleed, I'm not a superwoman,
can't be your superwoman.
I'm strong, I'm weak, I'm not a superwoman,
can't be your superwoman.
I'm just me.

I can fly across the sky, carry the weight of your expectations,
be the hero of your life. I'm just one woman.
I fight my own demons.

I bruise, I bleed, I'm not a superwoman,
can't be your superwoman.
I bruise, I bleed, I'm not a superwoman,
can't be your Superwoman.
I'm strong, I'm weak, can't be your superwoman,
can't be your superwoman.

I'm just me.
I'm just me.
I'm just me.

done and posted on my channel <3

[MTJ]

I can't find the official lyrics from Apple or Amazon music, but some lyrics websites have them posted. The lyrics in the bridge are very strange to me. They should read "I can't fly across the sky" but they do in fact seem to read "I can." Doesn't fit the perspective of the rest of the song. That may drive me a little crazy.

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Nmj, on 27 August 2021 - 10:38 PM, said:

You’ll get that on Christmas 2091, along with the “lying down” music video, the EUS music video.

Oh well that would really SUCK as all of us will be DEAD by then, Celine included! (In the year 2091, I would be 109 years old lol... & Celine would be 123... Yea very slim chance of either of us still alive by then! Just saying lol haha)

Again I am NOT trying to be negative, but am being REALISTIC... & also I know you putting the year 2091 is a JOKE lol, but knowing how Sony Music & Team Celine work nowadays, I will really NOT BE SHOCKED if all if any or all of those were released in 2091 lol haha... Sorry its the weekend & it has been a very long & crazy week for me with the new school year starting & all, I am being a bit of a smart-@ss right now lol 😜😁

[ivo]

I just listened to the song for the first time. After reading some comments I thought it would be bad, but I like it. I prepared for the worst, but it is not bad at all. Nice to have A New song!

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

sarit_celine, on 27 August 2021 - 08:17 PM, said:

Though, if they will make a video for this one it can be pretty nice.

Yea I have listened to the song this morning a few more times since yesterday (as I had to wait until after work yesterday to go on Amazon Music & Itunes to buy it, I bought the whole album as I am curious about hearing the other songs as well as I was about "Superwoman",)

& to be really honest, @ first I thought the song was OK but otherwise NOTHING SPECTACULAR, between the way she was singing it & the production of the song (to me the sound of her voice kind of sounded like she was mumbling or gargling in parts of the song, & the production kind of sounded off to me as well... But after a few listens today, I REALLY DO LIKE THIS SONG! Now I am NOT saying it is one of her "best songs ever", sorry but no... But it is also NOT ONE OF HER WORST SONGS either... Yep just sharing my opinions with you all, have a great weekend! 😊😘

[Shaun]

Del, on 28 August 2021 - 08:50 AM, said:

This may be an unpopular opinion and in no way disrespecting Rene, but I personally think he sometimes had too much control over her career and didn't let her make enough choices. Rene made all the decisions and while it's brought great success and results I do feel that this has given her an even bigger craving to try new things now that she has more control.  It's also given fans expectations that I feel she can no longer deliver on.

Totally respect what you’re saying Delphis but Celine herself said many times that René is the boss in the business and she’s the boss in the house and that’s how she likes it. Of course with René passing away she has no other option but to assume control of her career but it’s also healthy to have someone around to tell her what she needs to hear, not what she wants to hear. Does she have that now?

Edited by Shaun, 28 August 2021 - 10:39 AM.

[Celinelife]

Instrumental is made so soon..love it

[todos]

Celinelife, on 28 August 2021 - 11:24 AM, said:

Instrumental is made so soon..love it

I love the instrumental too!!!

To me the Production of the Song is not lacking professionalism….only the voice recording and delivery of the song can be critisized if one wants to.

Edited by todos, 28 August 2021 - 11:38 AM.

[Chantemoi]

I just screengrabbed this from the Reel she posted today of the recording of « Ma faille ».
Apparently she likes to be coached (at least she did in 2016).

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[jpatdeleon09]

But they are too shy to coached Céline now. I missed Kara

[browseceline]

Celinelife, on 28 August 2021 - 11:24 AM, said:

Instrumental is made so soon..love it

It is just some software that tried to take the vocals out, you can still hear them a bit.


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[Chantemoi]

PuraVida, on 27 August 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

The irony is that the song has a complete opposite message to those wondering about her vocal delivery lol.


We are expecting Celine to be a vocal superwoman and why can we accept anything less than "perfect"?

isabel leite, on 27 August 2021 - 04:14 PM, said:

I first have to say that everyone is entitled  to their own opinion. I sometimes think that I am the only one listening to what Celine has to say. For the longest time she has been saying that she doesn't have to prove anything anymore. She now does what gives her pleasure. She sings what she wants and the way she wants. She is not after a hit, an award, fame or stardom… She has given her entire life to her profession and to get where she is.( I mean who stops their honeymoon to go do promo? )  Last year I read peolple saying 'oh she should have done this or that', well she did , she enjoyed her family , relaxed , and hugged trees. Why? because that is where she is at right  now.

She’s been repeating that for years, and I’d be a lot more inclined to believe what she says if her her words were consistent with her actions. She says “I don’t have to prove anything” yet she still uses playback for the greatest hits because… she’s trying to prove that her voice hasn’t changed!

If she were true to her word, she’d rework those songs with simpler arrangements so she can perform them live, instead of lipsyncing. If she truly has “courage” to stand up and say “I’ve got nothing to prove”, then should we expect 100% live concert at Resorts World? 😉

That aside, of course we still love her for all her “imperfections” — but that doesn’t mean we have to pretend they’re not there. We care about her image and want to protect it (since her team doesn’t have that power anymore). Of course I’m not going to play “Superwoman” for my friends and then proceed to drag her through the mud in front of them. But this is a fan forum, whose purpose is to allow us freedom to express our opinions amongst people who also love her, warts and all, and therefore should be capable of swallowing all the criticism.

**edit** That said, once we’ve stated our opinions, there’s no need to be repetitive. The consensus is that many loyal fans are unhappy with either 1) the production, 2) the songwriting, 3) vocal delivery, or 4) all of the above. Maybe to save precious time & space, we should answer with numbers 1-4

I’ll go first: #4

Edited by Chantemoi, 28 August 2021 - 01:45 PM.

[zuv]

Its horrible. How can she release this? 😩

“I’m only humide” what is this?? 😫

[browseceline]

zuv, on 28 August 2021 - 01:50 PM, said:

Its horrible. How can she release this? &#4322857;

“I’m only humide” what is this?? &#4322859;

Human lol


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[maki_Dion-er]

Shaun, on 28 August 2021 - 10:39 AM, said:

Totally respect what you’re saying Delphis but Celine herself said many times that René is the boss in the business and she’s the boss in the house and that’s how she likes it. Of course with René passing away she has no other option but to assume control of her career but it’s also healthy to have someone around to tell her what she needs to hear, not what she wants to hear. Does she have that now?

There's a difference between being the boss (which she has said she never had much interest in) and having more creative freedom to do things she'd like in an album or for a song. A freedom she's exploring more now.

The excitement she expressed when she's said it's the most involved she's ever been in the creation of her album. I think if she had been able to experiment more with her voice from the beginning maybe people wouldn't be feeling that big a change now?

[GoldenLeaf]

Chantemoi, on 28 August 2021 - 01:11 PM, said:

I just screengrabbed this from the Reel she posted today of the recording of « Ma faille ».
Apparently she likes to be coached (at least she did in 2016).

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She clearly wasn't being coached during most of the ''Loved Me Back To life'' album recording sessions, her voice is so muffled and dry on this album just because she was using her bedroom voice. The only two songs ont this album where her voice sounds really clear and spot on are ''Incredible'' and ''You'll Have To Swing It (Mr. Paganini)'', must be because she was being coached by the producers while recording these two songs. Globally I think she sounds way better on the Courage album with the exception of Heart Of Glass (although this song is a bonus track and not part of the regular album tracklist so it doesn't really count).

As for Superwoman, the song itself is excellent (I really like the lyrics and the production) but the vocal delivery is awful (it clearly wasn't recorded during the Courage album recording sessions, she must have been recording it in late 2019 or early 2020), this song would have been perfect with Celine's clear voice from 2002/2003.

Edited by GoldenLeaf, 28 August 2021 - 02:43 PM.

[ryba]

maki_Dion-er, on 28 August 2021 - 02:15 PM, said:

There's a difference between being the boss (which she has said she never had much interest in) and having more creative freedom to do things she'd like in an album or for a song. A freedom she's exploring more now.

The excitement she expressed when she's said it's the most involved she's ever been in the creation of her album. I think if she had been able to experiment more with her voice from the beginning maybe people wouldn't be feeling that big a change now?

I would love to see a documentary showing how in charge she was during the production process. That would be interesting material to release instead of that weird short film that fulfills no fuction at all only showing her in weird poses saying general things we already know

[maki_Dion-er]

Chantemoi, on 28 August 2021 - 01:40 PM, said:

She’s been repeating that for years, and I’d be a lot more inclined to believe what she says if her her words were consistent with her actions. She says “I don’t have to prove anything” yet she still uses playback for the greatest hits because… she’s trying to prove that her voice hasn’t changed!

If she were true to her word, she’d rework those songs with simpler arrangements so she can perform them live, instead of lipsyncing. If she truly has “courage” to stand up and say “I’ve got nothing to prove”, then should we expect 100% live concert at Resorts World? 😉

But she's also said she wants to make people as happy as possible when singing live. Hearing the classics as they remember them is part of that. She can rework them but that's not what Rene taught her, and her team probably advices against it. Under Rene she didn't really change up much of the way she sang her English hits. And she still very much lives by his teachings. She changes little things but she's not going to rework them too much because she probably fears making fans unhappy when they hear them. If it were me I would be pushing her to change them up a lot lol.

That doesn't mean she's trying to prove she can still sing them or that she sound the same. When know she can, and she knows she can (we saw her do so in Carpool, that Amway performance, and on Jimmy Kimmel).
There's also the matter of her probably being tired of them or she would rather save her voice for other songs in the setlist she may enjoy singing live more.

Edited by maki_Dion-er, 28 August 2021 - 02:52 PM.

[GoldenLeaf]

Chantemoi, on 28 August 2021 - 01:40 PM, said:

She's been repeating that for years, and I'd be a lot more inclined to believe what she says if her her words were consistent with her actions. She says "I don't have to prove anything" yet she still uses playback for the greatest hits because… she's trying to prove that her voice hasn't changed!

If she were true to her word, she'd rework those songs with simpler arrangements so she can perform them live, instead of lipsyncing. If she truly has "courage" to stand up and say "I've got nothing to prove", then should we expect 100% live concert at Resorts World? ��

She kind of slightly reworked ''If You Asked Me To'', that's why she was able to sing it totally live during the Courage Tour instead of lip-synching it. I don't know why she doesn't do the same thing for the other hits.

[PuraVida]

Chantemoi, on 28 August 2021 - 01:40 PM, said:

She's been repeating that for years, and I'd be a lot more inclined to believe what she says if her her words were consistent with her actions. She says "I don't have to prove anything" yet she still uses playback for the greatest hits because… she's trying to prove that her voice hasn't changed!

It reminds me of how Whitney Houston was apparently quoted as saying, and I'm paraphrasing, "anyone who tells you they don't care about selling records is fu___g lying" lol

I think Celine wants to please those around her, and of course as an artist she loves the validation. She will always be adored, so why not sound the best she can possibly sound? If she is a perfectionist and wants to please her fans, then I would expect she would change certain vocal flaws if they were pointed out.

Btw I like your idea of the numbers 1- 4 lol. It's so annoying how the forum doesn't have a poll option for normal messages in threads.

[PuraVida]

maki_Dion-er, on 28 August 2021 - 02:40 PM, said:

Under Rene she didn't really change up much of the way she sang her English hits.

They changed up "I'm Alive" on the TCWT, at least in the earlier part of the tour. And they changed it up in Jamiaca too. They also changed up "A New Day Has Come" during the first Vegas show, opting for the slower version.

They also converted to the shorter All By Myself. Since Rene passed she changed up Power of Love a bit too. There was the Unison medley in Vegas.

[maki_Dion-er]

PuraVida, on 28 August 2021 - 05:31 PM, said:

They changed up "I'm Alive" on the TCWT, at least in the earlier part of the tour. And they changed it up in Jamiaca too. They also changed up "A New Day Has Come" during the first Vegas show, opting for the slower version.

They also converted to the shorter All By Myself. Since Rene passed she changed up Power of Love a bit too. There was the Unison medley in Vegas.

He mentioned the greatest hits that she lip syncs. And the point was changes vocally not in arrangement. Vocally TPOL is the same track for how many years now? Same for IACBTMN and BYLM. Unison isn't one of her major hits.

As for IA, I love the remix from TCWT but at that time I don't know if it was considered one of her major hits. But anyway, she's been singing it live unlike the other major hits and people love it for the energy not because of any big vocals.

Edited by maki_Dion-er, 28 August 2021 - 05:54 PM.