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[CELINE MARIE]

out Le Miracle but is Regarde-moi

Edited by CELINE MARIE, 25 November 2013 - 04:49 PM.

[Jessyka]

Hm, version B.

[mike_z]

I just watched this from the second concert in Anvers.

During "River Deep Mountain High" the usual big note which is an F5... this time she hit the F5 and then she climbed up to a G#5!!! And then she repeated the note after the very last "babyyyyy"



she was on fire!!!

[LukeD]

Call me negative but to me it makes no sense to only perform 4 songs of the smash album that is 'Sans Attendre' during the f****** 'Sans Attendre Tour'. What makes it worse is that she performs 2 lipped tracks from Vegas as well as 'All By Myself' and the inevitable duo of 'Love Can Move Mountains'/'River Deep-Mountain High' which are also part of her Vegas setlist. Could someone also inform her that she has a new English album out now which is still inside the Top 10 of French album charts? She said she doesn't want to sing the same songs over and over, so why in a setlist of 26 songs there are only 6 new recordings? As I said, nothing of that makes sense to me. She does sound great, it is admirable that she goes for such a long setlist and I always hope the best for her... However, I see no progress here.

Edited by LukeD, 25 November 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[LukeD]

To me, this is a much better setlist, and all I did was take out the lipped Vegas songs and put original French songs in their place ('Sans Attendre' material):
01.Ce N'etait Qu'un Reve
02.Dans Un Autre Monde
03.Parler A Mon Pere
04.On Ne Change Pas
05.Destin
06.Immensite
07.Qui Peut Vivre Sans Amour
08.Je Crois Toi
09.La Mer Et L'enfant
10.Celle Qui M'a Tout Appris
11.Si Je N'ai Rien De Toi
12.Tout L'or Des Hommes
13.Je Sais Pas
14.S'il Suffisait D'aimer
15.L'amour Existe Encore
16.Attendre
17.Breakaway
18.Water And A Flame
19.Loved Me Back To Life
20.Love Can Move Mountains
21.My Heart Will Go On
22.Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore
23.Le Miracle
24.Je Ne Vous Oublie Pas

Edited by LukeD, 25 November 2013 - 11:32 PM.

[Javito]

LukeD, on 25 November 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Call me negative but to me it makes no sense to only perform 4 songs of the smash album that is 'Sans Attendre' during the f****** 'Sans Attendre Tour'. What makes it worse is that she performs 2 lipped tracks from Vegas as well as 'All By Myself' and the inevitable duo of 'Love Can Move Mountains'/'River Deep-Mountain High' which are also part of her Vegas setlist. Could someone also inform her that she has a new English album out now which is still inside the Top 10 of French album charts? She said she doesn't want to sing the same songs over and over, so why in a setlist of 26 songs there are only 6 new recordings? As I said, nothing of that makes sense to me. She does sound great, it is admirable that she goes for such a long setlist and I always hope the best for her... However, I see no progress here.

You're not negative you're realistic, and show some common sense To me, it stopped to make sense since years ago. I don't even know how to put on words what I think of the fact that they're not including the song "Attendre" in a tour which is *supposedly* especially and above all about an album called "Sans ATTENDRE"

Btw you're setlist is nice but she can let go LCMM... And I would replace Dans un autre monde and Destin for Incognito, Des mots qui sonnent and Je danse dans ma tête. I knew this new arrival medley wouldn't have much days of glory

Edited by Javito, 26 November 2013 - 03:28 AM.

[LukeD]

Javito, on 26 November 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

You're not negative you're realistic, and show some common sense To me, it stopped to make sense since years ago. I don't even know how to put on words what I think of the fact that they're not including the song "Attendre" in a tour which is *supposedly* especially and above all about an album called "Sans ATTENDRE"

Btw you're setlist is nice but she can let go LCMM... And I would replace Dans un autre monde and Destin for Incognito, Des mots qui sonnent and Je danse dans ma tête. I knew this new arrival medley wouldn't have much days of glory

I put these inevitable songs cause I didn't want to make my ideal setlist, which would definitely NOT include 'Love can move mountains'! I tried to make a setlist that is close to reality but with some common sense, hence I included songs from the album that is supposed to be promoted! The idea of ''Attendre'' being followed by 'Breakaway' is my favorite part. ... I'm such a dreamer!

Edited by LukeD, 26 November 2013 - 05:26 AM.

[Javito]

I can't believe that even the french fans are being harsh with Céline's concert yesterday, read the comments in their facebook page: lack of emotion, karaoke singer, the concert was plain and dull, automat singer mode ON, no contact with the public, ticket prices are not worth what she delivered...

Even the press is stating the same conclusion we've known here since ages: Las Vegas has kicked the magic of her concerts, the emotion she had in the 90's when she performed her songs and she really felt them. But today... well I've not been there, but it seems many french fans agree that she doesn't seem to feel the songs like once she did. Thank that to Vegas and the 10 years she's been singing the same songs one after anothe

Edited by Javito, 26 November 2013 - 07:50 AM.

[Jessyka]

Javito, on 26 November 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

I can't believe that even the french fans are being harsh with Céline's concert yesterday, read the comments in their facebook page: lack of emotion, karaoke singer, the concert was plain and dull, automat singer mode ON, no contact with the public, ticket prices are not worth what she delivered...

Even the press is stating the same conclusion we've known here since ages: Las Vegas has kicked the magic of her concerts, the emotion she had in the 90's when she performed her songs and she really felt them. But today... well I've not been there, but it seems many french fans agree that she doesn't seem to feel the songs like once she did. Thank that to Vegas and the 10 years she's been singing the same songs one after anothe

Now that's sad.

My best friend was there and said it was the best Celine concert she's ever been to.

[mike_z]

Javito, on 26 November 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

I can't believe that even the french fans are being harsh with Céline's concert yesterday, read the comments in their facebook page: lack of emotion, karaoke singer, the concert was plain and dull, automat singer mode ON, no contact with the public, ticket prices are not worth what she delivered...

Even the press is stating the same conclusion we've known here since ages: Las Vegas has kicked the magic of her concerts, the emotion she had in the 90's when she performed her songs and she really felt them. But today... well I've not been there, but it seems many french fans agree that she doesn't seem to feel the songs like once she did. Thank that to Vegas and the 10 years she's been singing the same songs one after anothe

That's sad. I agree she's not the same performer she was at LAP, but her voice is in top shape which is important and, taking out the Vegas lipped songs, the setlist was very impressive! I'm sad for the Plamondon Medley though. It was so good, unexpected and fans loved it!!!!

[Alex_Incognito]

Javito, on 26 November 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

Even the press is stating the same conclusion we've known here since ages: Las Vegas has kicked the magic of her concerts, the emotion she had in the 90's when she performed her songs and she really felt them. But today... well I've not been there, but it seems many french fans agree that she doesn't...

This is rich coming from a fan who hasn't seen this tour nor her Vegas show. I've been to both, and I say with 100 percent confidence that  the magic is still there. Last night was the best show I've ever seen. The audience loved her. The standing ovations were incredible and there was definitely a connection with the audience. I will not sit back and let people spew crap that is not true. Like her or not, she was in top top form last night. Just because her setlist is not to your liking doesn't mean that she didn't blow the roof off of Bercy last night.

The audience clearly loved the lipped Vegas songs. Suck it up folks, she's not doing them for you but for the thousands of other people in the stadium.

By the way, is this even called the Sans attendre tour? None of the merchandise says it is.

Edited by Alex_Incognito, 26 November 2013 - 08:46 AM.

[Alex_Incognito]

Et de plus...
That article did not call her a karaoke singer but was  the fact that people sang along with her.  People should check their French before sommarizing.

[Javito]

Alex_Incognito, on 26 November 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

This is rich coming from a fan who hasn't seen this tour nor her Vegas show. I've been to both, and I say with 100 percent confidence that  the magic is still there. Last night was the best show I've ever seen. The audience loved her. The standing ovations were incredible and there was definitely a connection with the audience. I will not sit back and let people spew crap that is not true. Like her or not, she was in top top form last night. Just because her setlist is not to your liking doesn't mean that she didn't blow the roof off of Bercy last night.

That's why I said "the french fans", and "the press", not me, Alex I didn't say I word about her voice. I absolutely know she is in top shape with her voice. But what some fans notice is the lack of emotion when she tries to feel and make you feel the songs. And to me, that emotion has clearly gone since she's in Vegas, but above all, in certain songs that have been performed to boredom since 2003 (i.e. PQTME, TPOL or MHWGO)

But just in case you think I'm making this up I will quote some of the comments I've read in reaction to this article in Paris Match http://www.parismatc...ine-Dion-538213

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Céline Dion était à Bercy hier soir pour débuter une série de concerts parisiens. Notre journaliste y était.

Il y a cinq ans, Céline Dion enflammait Bercy. Plongée dans une tournée mondiale, la Canadienne préférée des Français retournait Paris avec un show rock, plein d’humour et de panache. Hier soir pour son grand retour dans la capitale, la barre était donc haute. Un peu trop probablement. Car, première déception, la chanteuse a opté pour une configuration classique. Une scène en fond de salle (elle se produisait la fois précédente au milieu de l’arène), un groupe poli, des décors basiques, trois écrans vidéos, le tout donnant immédiatement l’impression d’une machine très bien huilée. Car depuis dix ans et ses nombreuses prestations à Las Vegas, Céline est plus que jamais une pro de la scène. Démarrant dans la pénombre et a cappella sur «Je ne vous oublie pas», elle va pendant près de deux heures montrer tout son incroyable talent vocal. Puissante, Céline Dion n’a pas besoin de beaucoup d’efforts pour monter en gamme.
Si la part belle du set est faite à son dernier album en français («Sans attendre» sorti l’an passé), Céline revisite également ses autres disques francophones. Logiquement, Paris réserve un accueil poli aux titres les plus anciens, mais le public semble rapidement dans une léthargie étonnante, sans doute due à un show sans dérapages, ni véritable émotion. Alors oui, l’artiste est touchante lorsqu’elle s’exprime, oui elle chante avec le sourire, danse toujours aussi maladroitement et possède un indéniable charme, mais la magie n’opère pas.

Encore six dates à Paris

Céline ne prend pas assez la peine de parler au public, préférant s’éclipser pour changer plusieurs fois de tenue. Il faut attendre «Ziggy», dix-neuvième titre du concert pour voir les spectateurs se lever de leurs sièges. Et si les vingt dernières minutes lui permettant de dérouler une armada de tubes («All by myself», époustouflant, «My heart will go on» vite expédié, «Pour que tu m’aimes encore» dédicacé à Jean-Jacques Goldman), on regrette que la Québécoise n’ait pas pris la peine de faire plus participer les spectateurs. Bilan des courses: un show un peu froid, un peu court,  qui donne le sentiment à certains de ne pas en avoir pour leur argent (les places les plus chères sont à 205 euros, les moins onéreuse, 79 euros). Une première soirée en demi-teinte donc. Mais il reste six concerts à Céline pour inverser le cours de choses.

And TRH asked in facebook, do you agree with this mixed review?

Some answers from fans who attended the show:

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Virgile Tupp Seine Normande Moi je suis d'accord! J'adore Celine Dion, je suis totalement fan! Mais faut savoir rester objectif. J'ai trouvé son concert à Anvers du 21/11 assez plat, peu d'ambiance. Elle enchaine les tubes et voilà... Pas de mise en scène! Soit concert intimiste, qui peut être très bien, et qu'il est très bien par sa présence et sa voix. Mais pas dans des grandes salles! Ce concert se fait à l'olympia pas Bercy! La machine du succès s'est mît en route pour la grande salle "Bercy" mais peut être pas assez show! Il y a 5 ans c'était tellement magique. J'en pleurai! Là aucune émotion j'ai ressenti! Juste un concert simple. Mais je ne regrette en rien de l'avoir vu! C'est top de la voir sur scène

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Sammy Ben Amor Desole mais d accord avec l article car a anvers c etait pareille....ca reste celine mais elle ne peut pas tout entreprendre parfaitement bien

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Maxime Georis Et oui au risque de décevoir certains fans, je suis aussi d'accord avec l'article, connaissant ce que Céline est capable de faire j'ai trouve la scène et les effets assez basiques... J'ai assisté aux deux dates à Anvers et je dois avouer que j'ai un peu l'impression qu'elle a bâclée, sans parler des nombreux problèmes techniques le 21/11...

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Fabricee Buro Moi je suis d'accord niveau setlist elle enchaine les titres mais c'est,comme ca depuis 2002 je regrette souvent son manque de spontanéité ses shows dont trop millimètres

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Charlene Dumont Je suis d'accord avec le journaliste ..malheureusement pour nous c la réalité, Céline était a 50% de ce qu'elle fait d'habitude comme show

[Javito]

Some more:

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Marie-Stéphanie Boisdenghien tout à fait d'accord avec l'article! Etant une très grande fan, j'essaie de la suivre un peu partout et ce vendredi lors de son concert à Anvers j'ai été déçue. Elle qui disait qu'elle nous offrirait un nouveau show rien que pour Anvers et Bercy c'était pas trop le cas, il ressemblait très fortement à son concert sur les Plaines (même chansons, même tenues de scènes). Je m'attendais vraiment à autre chose d'elle, puis elle avait un micro avec file se qui limitait ses mouvements, panne de quelques secondes pour les écrans à côté de la scène, la scène qui se trouve loin il fallait limite se faire un torticolis pour pouvoir la regarder alors qu'il y'a 5 ans la scène était centrale! Bref elle reste ma chanteuse favorite, je retournais à Las Vegas la revoir mais j'ai été très déçue du concert!

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Sabrina Dethier[/url] Je suis assez d'accord avec l'article également... pourquoi pas une scène centrale? Pourquoi expédier les chansons si vite etc... Elle a l'air un peu usée... faut se rendre à l'évidence, on ne retrouvera jamais la Céline des années 90 qui avait une énergie a n'en plus finir et une voix qui pouvait tout chanter. Cela dit, si elle a fait ses high notes en live, je dois dire qu'elle en a encore sous le pied...]

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Vincent Aubry Le concert était grandiose maintenant je suis d'accord avec lui sur l'ambiance. J'ai trouvé le public un peu mou du genou hier et long à se réveiller. D'ailleurs après "Ziggy" quand tout le monde s'est levé, elle a dit un truc comme "ça me manquait"... J'espère que le public va mettre plus le feu pour les autres concerts parce qu'elle le mérite. Elle a été magnifique hier soir !

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Virgile Tupp Seine Normande J'apprécie les comms de Vincent Maître et Yannick Duchêne. Ils sont justes.
Perso, je suis fan, je fais même parti des Red Heads. Mais je reste objectif! J'ai accroché a son concert mais sans plus. Je suis resté sur ma faim!

Yannick Duchêne Moi qui ne suis absolument pas fan de Céline, mais l'admire uniquement pour sa voix. J'ai été extremement déçu. Je suis allé au concert pour la voir sur scène une fois dans ma vie. Puis je dois avouer que le show de sa tournée "I drove all night" m'a fais accrocher et m'a donné l'envie d'y aller. Mais arrivé au "spectacle", rien de tout ça, chanson sur chanson, elle déballe ce qu'elle a dire, communique 2 mots avec le public, fait régler son micro et oreillettes discretement plusieurs fois sur le concert en faisant des signes à son régisseur, le son n'était pas top je me suis même déplacé à 2x dans la salle pour tenter d'avoir une meilleure accoustique. Aucune ambiance, je parle pas de gens qui chantent, je parle d'ambiance que l'artiste transmet à ses fans normalement.

Alors pour 150 boules, je m'attendais à franchement autre chose.

Vincent Maitre Je suis un grand fan mais je sais être objectif! Le concert était bien mais il ne justifie pas les 220 euros déboursé à côté de taking chance world tour ou j en ai pris plein la vu!!!! Après la prod avait annoncé cette série de concert peu rentable d ou une mise en scène et des moyens techniques revus a la baisse! Céline serait elle victime de la crise ? Lol

Katia Olczak-magnani Je suis plutot d'accord avec ce journaliste,depuis que Celine a eu ses jumeaux,on dirait que ca l'embete d'etre sur scene.le coeur n'y est plus,elle livre la marchandise mais sans chaleur.la voix est bien sur superbe mais on a l'impression qu'elle voudrait etre ailleurs.alors bien sur quand on l'aime comme nous les fans on trouve tout super,mais on est capable d'apprecier la qualite avant et maintenant.

Nicolas Uvier Etant fan je suis toujours en admiration mais il faut dire que j ai été decu de sa prestation a anvers le 22 . Elle etais absente .triste et nous a expédié les chansons les unes après les autres.je l ai vu a las vegas en mars 2013 et lors du tour taking chances et je peut vous dire que c etais mille fois mieux.

Edited by Javito, 26 November 2013 - 09:43 AM.

[Alex_Incognito]

I misread your post, for that I apologize. Still you gloss over even the postive things that you've taken the time to quote. But I stand by my account of thr concert. There will always be those that live in the past. If only we could time travel,  but still people would complain.

Edited by Alex_Incognito, 26 November 2013 - 09:55 AM.

[Javito]

Of course she can't please everybody, we all know that and its pretty obvious. And I for one find quite silly those who are focusing their complaints about the stage if it was a central one like in the TCWT or not. But I can fully understand those who are saying that she has the air of a "robot Celine" these days, singing one song after the other as if she had some rush to be done with it and that's all. That's clearly a consequence of her Vegas shows since 2003. You can't fake that, either you are in the stage with all your body and soul, or you're not, and people notices that. Maybe she didn't feel good that day, or was tired. She's human after all.

However, it's been YEARS since we're discussing this matter over and over again, and we can see its becoming more and more evident each concert she does. I haven't been there, but I have a pair of eyes and ears, and I can see in the videos if she's feeling the songs or not, just like everyone else.

Solution? Change the damn same old repertoire once and for all, both in english and french concerts. There's only one song in english and french which both publics always expect and wouldn't forgive her not to perform it: PQTME in french and MHWGO in english. The rest of the setlist can be redone from beginning to end, and I'm sure nobody would tear their hairs if she wouldn't perform TPOL or BYLM, Destin or Dans un autre monde for a while and she mainly presented songs she hasn't performed in years (as well as totally unknown ones).

She had a new french album, and yet only 4 new songs were performed yesterday. Destin, Dans un autre monde again? What are they doing there, she had just performed them 5 years ago? And before that, also in 2005, and before 2005, also in 1999..... and so on. Put them on a medley and get rid of them! Give space to the new material!

Where is A Cause? Je Lui Dirai? Contre Nature? Je t'aime encore? All of these were french singles not so long ago! Yet she has never performed them in her french concerts .

And what about Des mots qui sonnent, Je danse dans ma tête and Incognito? Its not a sin to include these in Paris, like she did in Quebec, instead of singing here LCMM and RDMH (what the hell are these doing here, in a french concert?). And if she were to include a couple of songs that had never been singles, like En attendant ses pas or Cherche encore (to put an example, name whatever you want) to freshen up her concert and herself, nobody would die for this. But surely it would be an oxygen valve for her!

All in all, to me its clear she needs to take a rest from those songs, before these songs take away all the magic that once was with them

Edited by Javito, 26 November 2013 - 10:22 AM.

[celine4evauk]

Even if Celine hadn't been in LV for so long performing - and instead touring the world - she STILL would have been performing these songs that people are moaning about. Most of these songs are what audiences go to hear. Its only the few fans (comapred to worldwide figures here i mean) that notice things more, read into situations more etc. She will never satisfy her die-hard fans over setlists etc. I personally hate MHWGO but whenever i'm at her concert and hear people's reaction to it, i enjoy it.
She needs to rest her voice during concerts now - lipping a few LV songs means she can resist it. Everyone was so happy when she sang WDMHBN in LV and now people are moaning about it. Really?? Not everyone going to antwerp/bercy watch and listen to bootlegs etc from LV. In London 2008 the people i was sat with were surprised she sang RDMH - and enjoyed it. Sums it up.
I really wish people would justenjoy seeing her live in concert in this part of the world - cos there's some of us who weren't able to go. Think yourselves lucky people. Please??

[Gabriel81]

All I can say is that it was an unforgettable night for me.
Loved the setlist, costume changes and her persona.

[CelineDionForeverNY]

I have just noticed the L'amour existe encore is not in the setlist... How could they not include one of her greatest hits like that?!

Edited by CelineDionForeverNY, 26 November 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[Jessyka]

celine4evauk, on 26 November 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Even if Celine hadn't been in LV for so long performing - and instead touring the world - she STILL would have been performing these songs that people are moaning about. Most of these songs are what audiences go to hear. Its only the few fans (comapred to worldwide figures here i mean) that notice things more, read into situations more etc. She will never satisfy her die-hard fans over setlists etc. I personally hate MHWGO but whenever i'm at her concert and hear people's reaction to it, i enjoy it.
She needs to rest her voice during concerts now - lipping a few LV songs means she can resist it. Everyone was so happy when she sang WDMHBN in LV and now people are moaning about it. Really?? Not everyone going to antwerp/bercy watch and listen to bootlegs etc from LV. In London 2008 the people i was sat with were surprised she sang RDMH - and enjoyed it. Sums it up.
I really wish people would justenjoy seeing her live in concert in this part of the world - cos there's some of us who weren't able to go. Think yourselves lucky people. Please??

THIS ^

[anewdayhascome]

The setlist is better than ever but of course, it could include more new songs (at least Le Miracle should STAY!) and WDMHBN, ABM, IACBTMN and TPOL should be at least out... I just hope that at least Le Miracle will come back. Why the hell they cut it out? It was nice for the ending...


As for the dull and plain show, the thing that the worst thing with Celine during these concerts as well as during shows is Vegas are the robotic speeches which are so boring. Even though Celine says she is really close to us etc she is not that much cause she is repeating herself over and over again and we all know it. My mother didn't listen to any of the bootlegs and when she attended the show in Vegas twice she noticed that at once... I don't say that she has to say sth original every night but at least not repeating word in word the same speeches because it just shows how superficial and artificial it is....

[ivo]

Come on guys, the stelist is amazing! I think we've got the best setlist in years! For the old english hits, I am happy she kept them for the casual fan. I went to the concert of 22 november with my sister. She likes Celine, but is not a die hard fan and she loved those songs! I didn't find Celine robotic at all, for me it was al back to the nineties and much much nicer than the also great concert in 2008.

[Simon]

The setlist is amazing!

I hope she will keep At Seventeen and add Breakaway. Still dreaming to hear Moi Quand Je Pleure Live one day

[reamary]

Gabriel81, on 26 November 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

All I can say is that it was an unforgettable night for me.
Loved the setlist, costume changes and her persona.

Agreed!!!

[Gabriel81]

In my opinion "Where Does My Heart Beat Now" is the strongest part of the show. Celine does a great work and it's kind of reminiscent of her early years as images of her early perfromances appear on the background. It was a touching moment for me.

[manu23]

Some people seem to be never satisfied and that's really really sad, especially for them, because they will never enjoy as much as the rest do. My friend was with me in the concert, she loves Celine but is not a crazy fan, she is not in any forum, or goes online to see videos from concerts but she was amazed with this show, praising Celine's voice, style, passion, and I can assure you that everyone around me felt the same, I saw their faces.

My only complaint is that it was too short, I could have been there two more hours