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[smw]

So Celine has sold something around 220 million albums, right?  Was the Titanic soundtrack factored into that number?  The Titanic soundtrack was so massive because MHWGO was included.  

Just like Whitney Houston's IWALY on The Bodyguard. (Is The Bodyguard soundtrack album sales factored into Whitney's overall album sales?)

Just curious.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Soundtracks do not factor into an artist's album sales

[pat200]

the bodyguard IS a whitney album because she has 6 songs on that album.

titanic is not a celine album, yet the only way for her to be anywhere near the 200 million albums claim would be to include it with her sales which i think sony does because when she given the award for being the only artist to have 7 diamond albums on CRIA, titanic was one of those albums

[marc-02]

nope.. i dont think the titanic album is factored in in that total... there's a breakdown of that 200 million somewhere on the net, you can look for it... and btw, i also think the 200 doesnt even include the singles sales, right?

and yes, it should not really be factored in coz she only has one song in it... In the bodyguard, majority of the songs are whitney's... so its considered her album...

[CelinesDIVO5]

I remember reading somewhere that BODYGUARD was not considered a Whitney album, therefore not included in her album sales as a solo artist.

Here is a breakdown of Celines album sales in the U.S. alone

Unison- 1,227,000
Dion Chante Plamondon - 111,000
Celine Dion - 2,373,000
The Colour of My Love - 4,502,000
Deux - 242,000
Falling Into You - 10,785,000
Let's Talk About Love - 9,465,000
Sil Suffisait D'Aimer - 112,000
These Are Special Times - 5,000,000
A New Day Has Come - 3,307,000
One Heart - 2,000,000
1 Fille, 4 Types - N/A
Miracle - 1,000,000 (Meanwhile being a concept album debuting at number 4 on the Billboard hot 100 and 2.5 million in sales worldwide...almost half of this was in the U.S. alone)
Delles - N/A
Taking Chances - 1,067,236

In the U.S. alone she has a known sold number of 41,691,236 albums. And this number is with 2 French albums figures not being known. If this is true, then there is no way, that worldwide she hasn't sold over 200 million albums without TITANIC being factored into here sales.

Edited by CelinesDIVO5, 19 November 2011 - 01:43 PM.

[GoldenLeaf]

CelinesDIVO5, on Nov 19 2011, 02:42 PM, said:

I remember reading somewhere that BODYGUARD was not considered a Whitney album, therefore not included in her album sales as a solo artist.

Here is a breakdown of Celines album sales in the U.S. alone

Unison- 1,227,000
Dion Chante Plamondon - 111,000
Celine Dion - 2,373,000
The Colour of My Love - 4,502,000
Deux - 242,000
Falling Into You - 10,785,000
Let's Talk About Love - 9,465,000
Sil Suffisait D'Aimer - 112,000
These Are Special Times - 5,000,000
A New Day Has Come - 3,307,000
One Heart - 2,000,000
1 Fille, 4 Types - N/A
Miracle - 1,000,000 (Meanwhile being a concept album debuting at number 4 on the Billboard hot 100 and 2.5 million in sales worldwide...almost half of this was in the U.S. alone)
Delles - N/A
Taking Chances - 1,067,236

In the U.S. alone she has a known sold number of 41,691,236 albums. And this number is with 2 French albums figures not being known. If this is true, then there is no way, that worldwide she hasn't sold over 200 million albums without TITANIC being factored into here sales.

You've forgotten to include ''All The Way... A Decade Of Song'' which sold 7.968.000 in the U.S. alone.  

[PatrickDion22]

While everyone's right that the Titanic soundtrack isn't factored into Celine's sales, I do think that it's unfair. Sony Music made only 690,000 copies of MHWGO available for sale in the U.S. After those sold out, the only way to hear the song was to buy the soundtrack, so I'm sure a huge chunk of the album's sales was from those who wanted to buy MHWGO. But, alas...

Edited by PatrickDion22, 19 November 2011 - 05:19 PM.

[JulienMcbeal]

PatrickDion22, on Nov 20 2011, 01:13 AM, said:

While everyone's right that the Titanic soundtrack isn't factored into Celine's sales, I do think that it's unfair. Sony Music made only 690,000 copies of MHWGO available for sale in the U.S. After those sold out, the only way to hear the song was to buy the soundtrack, so I'm sure a huge chunk of the album's sales was from those who wanted to buy MHWGO. But, alas...

Yeah 'cause, of course, "Let's talk about love" (whose "my heart will go on" version was the one heard on radio) was sold out too...

[PatrickDion22]

JulienMcbeal, on Nov 19 2011, 06:53 PM, said:

Yeah 'cause, of course, "Let's talk about love" (whose "my heart will go on" version was the one heard on radio) was sold out too...

Adding to that, MHWGO broke radio airplay records twice during January and February 1998, so the demand for the song was simply astronomical.

[sailornic]

so what,  40 millions in us so the 200 millions worldwide is impossible because...????

There is a world outside USA.

Titanic was not incude.

[pat200]

Her sales are not 200 million albums worldwide just like Michael Elvis and the Beatles didnt sell 1 billion albums. Inflated numbers are a way for the record companies to market their artists. She is around 175 million albums sold. Her single sales are at about 45 million. Add the 5 million from DVDs and she is at about 225 million records sold.

[CelinesDIVO5]

sailornic, on Nov 19 2011, 11:01 PM, said:

so what,  40 millions in us so the 200 millions worldwide is impossible because...????

There is a world outside USA.

Titanic was not incude.

I know there is a world outside of the USA..no need to be rude.

What I was saying was that based on her sales in the US being over 40 million albums, that WITH the rest of the world it is very possible for her to have sold 200 million without including the Titanic soundtrack.

[amelie]

The answer is: TITANIC OST IS FACTORED into Celine's album sales (when they say she's sold over 200million albums)

about that being fair or not: My heart will go on is the only vocal song on the album and Celine is the only singer featured in the album.

[Your_Su_Phu]

CelinesDIVO5, on Nov 19 2011, 01:42 PM, said:

I remember reading somewhere that BODYGUARD was not considered a Whitney album, therefore not included in her album sales as a solo artist.

Here is a breakdown of Celines album sales in the U.S. alone

Unison- 1,227,000
Dion Chante Plamondon - 111,000
Celine Dion - 2,373,000
The Colour of My Love - 4,502,000
Deux - 242,000
Falling Into You - 10,785,000
Let's Talk About Love - 9,465,000
Sil Suffisait D'Aimer - 112,000
These Are Special Times - 5,000,000
A New Day Has Come - 3,307,000
One Heart - 2,000,000
1 Fille, 4 Types - N/A
Miracle - 1,000,000 (Meanwhile being a concept album debuting at number 4 on the Billboard hot 100 and 2.5 million in sales worldwide...almost half of this was in the U.S. alone)
Delles - N/A
Taking Chances - 1,067,236

In the U.S. alone she has a known sold number of 41,691,236 albums. And this number is with 2 French albums figures not being known. If this is true, then there is no way, that worldwide she hasn't sold over 200 million albums without TITANIC being factored into here sales.

Your figures are missing music club sales, which may not be considered in soundscan tabulations but they are considered in RIAA certifications (Celine sold several million albums through US music clubs in the 90s), and also ATW's sales.  

With that said, Celine IS one of the world's best selling female artists of all time.

Edited by Your_Su_Phu, 20 November 2011 - 02:43 AM.

[Your_Su_Phu]

sailornic, on Nov 19 2011, 10:01 PM, said:

There is a world outside USA.

There IS a world outside of the USA, but you have to take into consideration the varying sizes of music markets when computing sales.  The US is the world's biggest music market, followed by Japan, then much of Europe, etc.
While there is no official entity that tracks all worldwide sales, we do have individual tracking and certification systems in each country (like Soundscan in the US) and so we can use that to estimate.  

Record labels definitely do inflate artists' sales across the board, and sometimes without any basis.  One such case is the artist Nana Mouskouri, whose label claimed that she sold over 300 million albums worldwide.  When we look at her certifications in individual countries (specifically for most of the world's biggest markets) her numbers are quite miniscule.  Would that mean that vast bulk of her hundreds of millions in album sales comes from some tiny 3rd world country?  It makes no sense logically.
Or you have someone like Cher, whose record label claims she sold 100 million records one year, then 2 years later claims she sold 200 million records out of nowhere.  

Edited by Your_Su_Phu, 20 November 2011 - 02:54 AM.

[wjd]

Titanic should NEVER be considered a Celine album - the 25m copies that the soundtrack sold shouldn't be figured into the 170m+ tally that Celine herself has accumulated worldwide.

[GoldenLeaf]

sailornic, on Nov 19 2011, 11:01 PM, said:

so what,  40 millions in us so the 200 millions worldwide is impossible because...????

There is a world outside USA.

Titanic was not incude.

According to Soundscan Celine has sold a total of 51,162,000 albums in the U.S. alone and this number doesn't include the sales of the Titanic soundtrack.  

That's really impressive!!!

Now if we add the Titanic soundtrack sales to her U.S. sales number, this would increase Celine's sales number in the U.S. to approximately 62,000,000 albums sold.

Edited by Calypso, 20 November 2011 - 01:05 PM.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Calypso, on Nov 20 2011, 01:57 PM, said:

According to Soundscan Celine has sold a total of 51,162,000 albums in the U.S. alone and this number doesn't include the sales of the Titanic soundtrack.  

That's really impressive.

Which proves my point that it is absolutely 100% possible that she has sold 200 million world wide without Titanic being factored into those sales. 50 million in ONE country alone..that's more than 1/4 of total sales world wide.

[Kyle_Jared]

Anybody want to venture to guess what "Let's Talk About Love" would have sold if there was not Titanic Soundtrack and My Heart Will Go On was only available on her album ( Like Because you Loved me from "Up close and Personal"--no soundtrack, just on "Falling Into You".  )

I would bet the Album would of outsold Michael Jacksons Thriller (Best Selling Album of All time) and we would seen 20 million in sales US alone.

Titantic did 10 million US and Let's Talk about Love did 9.4 Million (Both Certified Diamone)

CRAZY

[Tyler1991]

My tongue is nearly bleeding from biting it so hard. But I just can't anymore.....

Wow, Thriller outsold LTAL by nearly triple the amount....add "Titanic" to LTAL and it's still just half of Thriller, maybe a little more. Either way, it's still a LONG way off from Thriller, which is one of the most successful albums of all time, perhaps even the most successful.

You can walk down a street in New York and ask 100 people if they've heard of Michael Jackson's Thriller, and then do the same for LTAL... I guarantee you LTAL won't even break 30, yet Thriller will be close to 100.... It's not even a comparison and to even try to compare the two is a laughing matter and an insult to the success of Michael Jackson and his legacy.

As for Titanic sales being included into the 200 Million...  I had heard that they have indeed been included into the number.... should they be? Absolutely not. Are they? Apparently. They announced one year she was at 150 or 170 or something like that, and then the next it was 200 Million? Um, I'm sorry but I know there was no way in hell Celine sold 20 or 30 million albums in a single year or even a two year span, at least not in the last 10 years. So yes, it sure sounds like they've included the Titanic sales in.

[Shaun]

Does it really matter?

[pat200]

Thriller IS the most successful album of all time. And people who think that LTAL would have outsold thriller if Titanic OST was not released should consider that the vast majority of people who bought one album bought the other. It would make sense to assume that LTAL would have maybe reached a maximum of 45 million, which is still way below the 68 million of thriller... Some logic would help.

[Tyler1991]

No, it shouldn't. Regardless of whether Titanic sales are included for Celine or not, it makes absolutely no difference. Celine, Madonna, Barbra, Mariah, etc....all of them and more will continue to call themselves the best selling female artist of all time. All of the sales for three of them are greatly inflated and all them are relatively equal and continue to boast about something that they don't even know is truth.

[Tyler1991]

pat200, on Nov 20 2011, 02:31 PM, said:

Thriller IS the most successful album of all time. And people who think that LTAL would have outsold thriller if Titanic OST was not released should consider that the vast majority of people who bought one album bought the other. It would make sense to assume that LTAL would have maybe reached a maximum of 45 million, which is still way below the 68 million of thriller... Some logic would help.

Some have even said Thriller has sold up to over 100 million....but like the other albums, there is still a big question mark with Thriller. People estimate between 65-110.....that's a HUGE span right there.

[pat200]

Tyler1991, on Nov 20 2011, 09:35 PM, said:

Some have even said Thriller has sold up to over 100 million....but like the other albums, there is still a big question mark with Thriller. People estimate between 65-110.....that's a HUGE span right there.

Thriller has sold 100 million RECORDS as in the album plus all singles and DVDs/Videos related to thriller. The album is maximum at 70 million sold.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Tyler1991, on Nov 20 2011, 02:33 PM, said:

No, it shouldn't. Regardless of whether Titanic sales are included for Celine or not, it makes absolutely no difference. Celine, Madonna, Barbra, Mariah, etc....all of them and more will continue to call themselves the best selling female artist of all time. All of the sales for three of them are greatly inflated and all them are relatively equal and continue to boast about something that they don't even know is truth.

The numbers are based on the amount of album SHIPPED to retailers. And this many albums were shipped because they were obviously selling out and high in demand at the time. I have never actually heard one of these artists say out of their own mouths that they were the best selling female artist of all time. In one interview Celine did say "I am ONE OF the artists that sells the most records. I could be wrong like this for the rest of my life." (Speaking about the critics and "A NEW DAY...") This was on the Nightline interview in 2003. But either way.  I brought a calculation for US numbers only, and even forgot to put one of the albums on there, and still, it was over 40 millions albums in the US alone. That was WITHOUT the Titanic Soundtrack. There are 5 other continents that her music is sold in. It is more than possible that her number is up to 200 million without the Titanic soundtrack being included. It is not included in her catalogue in any of her discographies. It is not a Celine Dion album.

[pat200]

celine's sales in the US without the titanic are around 62 million (soundscan + BMG music club + columbia music club). However even with that her sales are around 175 million albums.

As for the 5 other continents, the US is by far the biggest music market in the world and we have solid data from all the biggest markets as well as many small markets around the world and all this data shows that she is nowhere near the 200 million mark. As for the rest that we don't have, they don't matter because they would barely add 5 million, which are already taken into the total's margin.

[artist]

Whether it is or not.. who cares. selling more than 100 million albums at the age of 30 is an achievement itself

[Tyler1991]

I think we all agree that it should NOT be included in her sales. However, the disagreement arises to the fact as whether her team has decided to include the album. Based off the numbers of sales that they have claimed to have sold from one year to the next, and looking at the increase...it's clear they have chosen to include it. Also, adding up the sales of her album will not add up to 200M unless you include Titanic.

[TommKat22]

CelinesDIVO5, on Nov 19 2011, 02:42 PM, said:

I remember reading somewhere that BODYGUARD was not considered a Whitney album, therefore not included in her album sales as a solo artist.

Here is a breakdown of Celines album sales in the U.S. alone

Unison- 1,227,000
Dion Chante Plamondon - 111,000
Celine Dion - 2,373,000
The Colour of My Love - 4,502,000
Deux - 242,000
Falling Into You - 10,785,000
Let's Talk About Love - 9,465,000
Sil Suffisait D'Aimer - 112,000
These Are Special Times - 5,000,000
A New Day Has Come - 3,307,000
One Heart - 2,000,000
1 Fille, 4 Types - N/A
Miracle - 1,000,000 (Meanwhile being a concept album debuting at number 4 on the Billboard hot 100 and 2.5 million in sales worldwide...almost half of this was in the U.S. alone)
Delles - N/A
Taking Chances - 1,067,236

In the U.S. alone she has a known sold number of 41,691,236 albums. And this number is with 2 French albums figures not being known. If this is true, then there is no way, that worldwide she hasn't sold over 200 million albums without TITANIC being factored into here sales.

You also forgot her Collector's Series Volume One album, and her CD of Live In Las Vegas. That adds at least a million more copies.