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[fan2celinedion]

meanttofly, on Jun 15 2010, 04:55 PM, said:

I find it a very enjoyable dvd, amazingly filmed dispite all the re-recording and editing, but what I found cheap was the description of the songlist in the booklet: Fade away doesn´t appear, different numbers for the same songs, a real mess.

Yeahhhhh you are right!!!
I didn't like the fact that the paper used for the english DVD was not the same as the one used for the french one (if u see what I mean )

[riobeard11]

fan2celinedion, on Jun 15 2010, 10:58 AM, said:

meanttofly, on Jun 15 2010, 04:55 PM, said:

I find it a very enjoyable dvd, amazingly filmed dispite all the re-recording and editing, but what I found cheap was the description of the songlist in the booklet: Fade away doesn´t appear, different numbers for the same songs, a real mess.

Yeahhhhh you are right!!!
I didn't like the fact that the paper used for the english DVD was not the same as the one used for the french one (if u see what I mean )

Yes!  I thought I was just losing my mind and being too picky
I think that, in the future, they should just leave these things to all of us.  We would provide a much better final product

[Celinefan97]

I hated the package!!!!! I have to store the discs/the booklet in different cases. And how come that the best songs from the concert are not on the CD, I mean come on we should have had My Heart Will Go On (Remix)/I'm Alive and the Queen medley on the CD

[rhaps]

until now, sony philippines didn't release the tour dvd. only the tteotw. damnnn sony...

[empress]

This is an old topic, but the more I think about it and read about it, the more disturbed I am that Celine is lipping at all!! I love her and she does have a totally fantastic voice that she meticulously cares for and trains. So why the need to lip? I think it is wrong! People pay a lot of money to attend her concerts and hear that beautifully gifted voice. Lip synching is a sham! There is no excuse.

[browseceline]

empress, on Dec 9 2011, 07:35 PM, said:

This is an old topic, but the more I think about it and read about it, the more disturbed I am that Celine is lipping at all!! I love her and she does have a totally fantastic voice that she meticulously cares for and trains. So why the need to lip? I think it is wrong! People pay a lot of money to attend her concerts and hear that beautifully gifted voice. Lip synching is a sham! There is no excuse.

The concert filming itself is great, nice colors, nice angles..
but what I also like to add is that it is a shame how liveconcerts are edited, until the LIVE concert is not live anymore! We want a recording of the show , even if it had some flaws, not dubbed, lipsynched, audiencenoise taken away, just about everything, the atmosphere of the venue she was playing, people clapping, the natural reverb... not a complete edited non-live sound! why???  I cannot remember other dvds I have from other artists that take away audience noises so much away than this one...:-S
For the Power of Love ( the dubbed version is a great one though) and some other songs, they clearly had too, and we all know why, but as for the rest...

it is almost a studiorecording. If I want studiorecordings, I listen to studio recorded cd's. But when I attend a live concert, I expect a live concert, esspecially when I buy the dvd of the show afterwards.   By the way, how come, in this time that quality is what people want, in this time that the bluray is the best possible way to capture a perfect live concert, why did this concert not come on a bluray release? Okay, CTTOTW is on bluray, but is only fractions of the concert, I want the whole experience on bluray. Sony got this?

When I listen to some of the bootlegs during the taking chances tour, THAT was live. and still fantastic to listen to.
Glad so many people made bootlegs of the shows so we have that.

Edited by browseceline, 09 December 2011 - 05:47 PM.

[Nautanick]

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This is an old topic, but the more I think about it and read about it, the more disturbed I am that Celine is lipping at all!! I love her and she does have a totally fantastic voice that she meticulously cares for and trains. So why the need to lip? I think it is wrong! People pay a lot of money to attend her concerts and hear that beautifully gifted voice. Lip synching is a sham! There is no excuse.

Have you heard Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey sing lately? Their voices are gone (especially Whitney's). I don't believe they ever lip synched. MC didn't even do drugs or smoke to kill her voice like Whitney did - she did it through extensive overuse.

I don't like the idea of lipping either (and ESPECIALLY hated using the 14 year old tracks for TPOL during the TC tour), but Celine's voice wouldn't have lasted through the huge tours she did in the 90s and Vegas if she did every single song 100% live every single night. It just wouldn't. I'm sure it's due to advice from her voice doctor (and her own perfectionism) that she does this. At least she has NEW ones for this Vegas show that actually sound like she does now!

My complaints about this CD/DVD set -- all have been covered by other people. The same English performances (and audience shots too) on both the Boston and Montreal shows, the lack of bonus features (like performances of the dropped or regional songs she sang like TT, TJTWIM, Can't Fight The Feeling, etc). Plus the "new" performances that replaced the old lipped songs sound auto tuned and it's so painfully obvious that it's not as performed due to lack of audience noise, etc. I do enjoy watching them but Sony and Celine's team dropped the ball in a lot of ways with this.

[*Daniel]

Are you all saying that the taking chances world tour isn't live at all (the sound)?

[browseceline]

well if you read all the comments here, you know what is live and what is not - but for the dvd is a complete other story. and we all know what has been rerecorded/dubbed, which phrases are live etc. You can read it in the posts in this topic

yes and what has been said before, use the same filming for a Montreal and a Boston concert. Oh and starting with.. is that allright Boston!? ( what is allright? - yes after you Celine should have said to the audience .. I drove all night to get to you...is that allright?) - has been cut for no good reason.. You know what I am planning to? It will be a lot of work, but, ripping the original dvd and replace the audio, or at least add more audiencenoise to it. will be a lot of work, but I am sure it is worth it!

Edited by browseceline, 09 December 2011 - 06:13 PM.

[Nautanick]

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Are you all saying that the taking chances world tour isn't live at all (the sound)?

Some of it (most of it actually) is live - the French songs are all live anyway. The following songs are the ones that were re-recorded in the studio and dubbed into the DVD to replace playback tracks that are years old:

I Drove All Night
The Power of Love at the first chorus and onward
It's All Coming Back To Me Now
To Love You More
The section of TC where she belts "What do you saaaaaay..." near the end
Eyes On Me
The last two notes of Alone
The high note in ABM (I think she sings with it and that's why you can hear slight vibrato)
MHWGO

I'm not sure if RDMH was playback or not...sometimes I want to say yes but then I'll hear something in bootlegs that sounds different and makes me go hmmm...

Like I said in my previous post, lipping is a necessary evil for her and us. No one can deny that it has helped her preserve her voice.

Oh yes, forgot the lack of "Is that alright Boston/Montreal" at the beginning. That's annoying too.

Edited by Nautanick, 09 December 2011 - 06:25 PM.

[riobeard11]

One of my biggest pet peeves is the fact that they cut the opening of the concert!  It was a really great way to start the show.

I can't say that I'm really upset that they dubbed over the lipped songs on these DVDs because at least we got new versions of those playbacks.

I am very pleased that she recorded new playback tracks for the new Vegas show (with the exception of the note in ABM).  It really was getting SO obvious seeing her live and hearing TPOL click over to that OLLLLLD recording when her voice sounds nothing like that anymore!

[CelineAndRene]

Oh the lip synching issue... how I never get sick of this being revived...  

[riobeard11]

Well the good news is the set lists keep getting longer (since AND) and she still only has lipping in the same number of songs!  So the percentage of lipped songs is going down!

[Tyler1991]

It's all pretty pathetic. Personally, I can't put up with the excuses. As a singer, I expect her to sing. It's as simple as that. If she truly wants to sit down with her kids and have a normal life where she can spend time with them, why doesn't she just sing LESS shows, make LESS appearances, and just LESSEN her career all as a whole, then she can truly put in 100% in the little she does choose to sing.

[riobeard11]

She has DRASTICALLY lessened the number of shows, increased time with her family, and made great improvements to her voice.  I don't see why there's any need to complain anymore?

There will never be a fully LIVE concert that anyone would be satisfied with.  That's a fact.

[Jonih]

To get a little perspective... Back in the 1970s Elvis Presley did two shows a night for four weeks in a row and 100% live! And that was in Las Vegas with its problematic climate. His voice failed him only a few times, despite singing demanding songs that required him to reach tenor notes that were at the limits of his range. Of course, he was very tired at times and didn't live a very long life.

[idroveallnight]

Can anyone else not stand MHWGO?  It literally pains me to watch it on the dvd.  Her voice doesn't even sound natural...it's so much deeper and almost mechanical.  All of this just to avoid us knowing they used the Vegas recording throughout the entire tour?  Come on, who do they think they are fooling?  It's not a big deal...they should have just stuck with the tracks she used when the show was actually recorded instead of redubbing everything with this autotune crap that makes her voice sound like a machine.  Can't say I'm a fan of any of the other recordings either aside from TPOL.

[riobeard11]

^ I agree, MHWGO's dub is really awful.  It sounds like she's holding her nose and singing upside down.

[empress]

Tyler1991, on Dec 9 2011, 10:49 PM, said:

It's all pretty pathetic. Personally, I can't put up with the excuses. As a singer, I expect her to sing. It's as simple as that. If she truly wants to sit down with her kids and have a normal life where she can spend time with them, why doesn't she just sing LESS shows, make LESS appearances, and just LESSEN her career all as a whole, then she can truly put in 100% in the little she does choose to sing.

I agree 100%. I am a singer. Using strong backup vocals when your voice is weak is one thing (still live, both you and the back up singers) but lip synching is a lie. If you are a singer....sing!! If your voice is in trouble....rest! Mariah Carey misused her voice and I don't buy that she never did drugs. She definitely is a drinker.

[Timster]

empress, on Dec 10 2011, 07:28 PM, said:

I agree 100%. I am a singer. Using strong backup vocals when your voice is weak is one thing (still live, both you and the back up singers) but lip synching is a lie. If you are a singer....sing!! If your voice is in trouble....rest!

Celine was in serious trouble after losing her voice TWICE in the Incognito & Unison Tours, to the point where surgery may have been required. Of course, they took this very seriously - Celine couldn't speak for 3 whole weeks, and later on she received proper coaching to improve her technique. Her vocals definitely improved from 1992/3 onwards, she was always more careful since then, not recklessly belting out notes without control. But for Celine, stopping her huge tours was apparently never an option, and this was when the lipping started in the Celine Dion Tour in 1992. At the time, there was a very good reason for it, as back then her voice was still developing and changing - there is a huge difference between 1990 and 1994/5. Had she not started to actively reduce the strain on her chords she may never have reached the phenomenal peak we hear so beautifully on the live Olympia album. I completely understand your point of view, and I personally believe there are many songs that should never have been lipped, but at the end of the day Celine is a perfectionist, so everything has to be just right these days.   That is probably why songs like The Reason have become playback in the new show. It's a very hard song, but apparently a slightly less-powerful live performance like the LTAL tour isn't good enough anymore...  

[Tyler1991]

riobeard11, on Dec 10 2011, 03:28 AM, said:

She has DRASTICALLY lessened the number of shows, increased time with her family, and made great improvements to her voice. I don't see why there's any need to complain anymore?

There will never be a fully LIVE concert that anyone would be satisfied with. That's a fact.

That's debatable. But it is a fact, and you are right, that NEVER will she be able to make everyone leave satisfied...but at the same time, that doesn't mean that she should lower her own expectation to the point that her biggest career hit, the single reason why half the people probably go to the concert, is lipped, along with other popular songs.

I used to be able to justify those songs, because they were forced upon her in a way that Goldfinger, and Man In The Mirror weren't. See, with Goldfinger, MITM, IGTWOAS, I Wish, Stayin' Alive, etc... it's a choice. And for her to CHOOSE to lip a cover, a song that is not necessary or a requirement in the show...that pisses me off. Why not sing something easy such as....Next Plane Out?

But I can no longer find a justification for MHWGO or TPOL or IACBTMN just because she is forced to sing them. For that reason, those are the ones she should be putting the most effort in. Afterall, it's truly what most people want to hear. And they deserve to hear the best and most genuine performance they can.... that's what it's all about. And until she can actually sing and deliver a genuine performance of the song, I don't have much of a reason to consider her the best, or anywhere close to it.

I understand that she has had problems with her voice. That's tough, and I'm sure there are other ways around it besides lipping. There are certainly different ways she can train her voice to affect it. She can remix the song and make it easier, she can adlib or do something innovtative in the middle of the performance to make it easier, she can manuever her setlists to songs that suit her voice best based on concert performance, she can sing less shows, she can sing 1 or 2 songs less in a show. There are ways around it that allow her to keep her honesty and deliver the most genuine and real performance.

[empress]

Tyler1991, on Dec 10 2011, 06:43 PM, said:

That's debatable. But it is a fact, and you are right, that NEVER will she be able to make everyone leave satisfied...but at the same time, that doesn't mean that she should lower her own expectation to the point that her biggest career hit, the single reason why half the people probably go to the concert, is lipped, along with other popular songs.

I used to be able to justify those songs, because they were forced upon her in a way that Goldfinger, and Man In The Mirror weren't. See, with Goldfinger, MITM, IGTWOAS, I Wish, Stayin' Alive, etc... it's a choice. And for her to CHOOSE to lip a cover, a song that is not necessary or a requirement in the show...that pisses me off. Why not sing something easy such as....Next Plane Out?

But I can no longer find a justification for MHWGO or TPOL or IACBTMN just because she is forced to sing them. For that reason, those are the ones she should be putting the most effort in. Afterall, it's truly what most people want to hear. And they deserve to hear the best and most genuine performance they can.... that's what it's all about. And until she can actually sing and deliver a genuine performance of the song, I don't have much of a reason to consider her the best, or anywhere close to it.

I understand that she has had problems with her voice. That's tough, and I'm sure there are other ways around it besides lipping. There are certainly different ways she can train her voice to affect it. She can remix the song and make it easier, she can adlib or do something innovtative in the middle of the performance to make it easier, she can manuever her setlists to songs that suit her voice best based on concert performance, she can sing less shows, she can sing 1 or 2 songs less in a show. There are ways around it that allow her to keep her honesty and deliver the most genuine and real performance.

I agree that Lipping is never acceptable. Again...it is a lie to your audience! Who wants to pay to be lied to??

[Alex_Incognito]

Here we go again!  Who dug this back out of the hole it was buried in?

[CelineAndRene]

Alex_Incognito, on Dec 10 2011, 09:07 PM, said:

Here we go again!  Who dug this back out of the hole it was buried in?

I don't know...

I tire of hearing the overused and abused phrase "singers sing". Do I approve of the lipping? Of course not. But I will take it ANY day as long as Celine doesn't end up like Mariah, Whitney, etc. But for some saying they're so bothered by this that they almost don't like her anymore is nonsense.  

And personally, she's doing something right. She sounds SOOOO much better now then she did in the 90s. I can't wait to hear what the next decade will bring.

Edited by CelineAndRene, 10 December 2011 - 09:56 PM.

[GoldenLeaf]

empress, on Dec 10 2011, 10:04 PM, said:

I agree that Lipping is never acceptable. Again...it is a lie to your audience! Who wants to pay to be lied to??

If ''Lipping'' is never acceptable then how do you explain that Broadway singers often lip-sync to pre-recorded vocals and yet nobody makes a big deal out of it ?

Edited by Calypso, 11 December 2011 - 06:54 PM.

[Celine_Fan_1992]

So what if she did lip sync? Did you all forget that Celine wasn't feeling her best during the Taking Chances tour? Celine is human and can only do so much. Personally, I love the TCWT and CTTEOTW DVDs. I watch them a lot. As for the comments about her fans going to her shows to hear her live, they should just be happy and grateful that they even got to see her at all. She is such an amazing and beautiful human being. I would love to go to one of her concerts. I don't even care if she just stood there. I just want to see her in person.


People always have to complain about something that Celine does or doesn't do and it's pathetic.

[puttybuddy]

As long as she can still record, I'm happy. I know those are for real!

[empress]

Celine_Fan_1992, on Dec 11 2011, 05:25 PM, said:

So what if she did lip sync? Did you all forget that Celine wasn't feeling her best during the Taking Chances tour? Celine is human and can only do so much. Personally, I love the TCWT and CTTEOTW DVDs. I watch them a lot. As for the comments about her fans going to her shows to hear her live, they should just be happy and grateful that they even got to see her at all. She is such an amazing and beautiful human being. I would love to go to one of her concerts. I don't even care if she just stood there. I just want to see her in person.
People always have to complain about something that Celine does or doesn't do and it's pathetic.

I understand everyone wanting Celine to stay relevant and also for her to remain as public as possible. I always look forward to seeing her on the news, interviews, etc... I just don't agree with lip synching. She is advertised as a great voice. I would like to hear it live. She has GREAT live vocals and stage presence. I don't understand the reason for the use of lipping! The use of overdubs on the DVD's is a little different subject. I'm talking about live performances.

[riobeard11]

I support the argument that IF she is going to be lipping, it should be covers and not her hits.

[CelineAndRene]

empress, on Dec 12 2011, 11:33 AM, said:

I understand everyone wanting Celine to stay relevant and also for her to remain as public as possible. I always look forward to seeing her on the news, interviews, etc... I just don't agree with lip synching. She is advertised as a great voice. I would like to hear it live. She has GREAT live vocals and stage presence. I don't understand the reason for the use of lipping! The use of overdubs on the DVD's is a little different subject. I'm talking about live performances.

We also don't know the whole story even though we all think we do. Who knows, maybe it's actually Sony's idea that likes to dub, "perfect" her vocals for their DVD??? Now, that's just for the DVDs. However, for her concerts, etc., I think it's just a matter of not wanting to wear out her voice. I think she learned from "AND" that singing live all the time will take a toll on her voice. (She sounded horrible during 2004-2007, IMO - and yes I know some songs in "AND" were lipped.) It IS what it IS.

Edited by CelineAndRene, 13 December 2011 - 09:56 PM.