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[sarit_celine]

When it comes to recording and producing, in the 90's and beginning of the 2000 they gained really good money from all aspects, now they don't and that explains the lack of motivation and creativity (on all aspects). That's a tragic what happened to music industry.

As for the singing of Celine, it has nothing to do with voice changes and her voice sure did change (yet, she sings The Prayer amazingly good in live), it's her approach to songs that has changed she doesn't want to sound outdated. All the artists I'm following never changed their approach when it comes to singing, it's quite amazing what that happened to Celine, and as an old fan you can never get used to it (if it's for the good or for the bad- time will tell).

I think she changes her voice because she says to herself, "all my life I was slave to my instrument, now I want to sing the way I want, with not much effort and suffering etc." I think it's here to stay with us, but she has a problem, she still has so many songs she still sing as her old self, as I wrote on the past it's like we have two different Celines at one time.  

The first single from Diane album was released one month ago, in any case, finger crossed they will release the next one by Celine.

[smw]

It'd be fun to go over her last few albums and go track-by-track and see which songs Celine uses her pretty tone / voice vs her "trendy" voice.
Her voice has changed throughout the years, but it's clearly a choice she's making because she can still sound so crystalline when she chooses (as we've heard on tour).

In Incredible, for instance, she makes an effort to sound like Celine Dion:



Whereas Water and a Flame was on the same album and she sounded "trendy". Actually, looking back, maybe this whole new approach to singing on her albums is Eg White's fault. I'd love to know what David Foster thinks of Eg White's approach to producing Celine's music.



But then again, there were definitely signs of a new approach on the Taking Chances album. Several of those songs demonstrated a "new" Celine. I remember Celine claiming she was ready to showcase a new, edgier side of herself while recording the TC album. And we can even trace some of her new approaches to singing way earlier than TC. She's just decided to make this trendy voice her new go-to style on her albums, as opposed to brining it out occasionally.

But if I were on her team, I'd gently remind her that when her influences were Whitney Houston & Barbra Streisand, Celine's voice achieved greatness. Now that her influences are Sia and Adele, I'm not sure if it's resonating with people.

But at the end of the day it's Celine's decision! And she always sounds wonderful no matter what. Courage is a fabulous album, she was sounding beautiful on tour, and I can't wait to hear this new Diane Warren song in full.

Edited by smw, 08 December 2020 - 12:42 PM.

[sarit_celine]

smw, on 08 December 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

It'd be fun to go over her last few albums and go track-by-track and see which songs Celine uses her pretty tone / voice vs her "trendy" voice.
Her voice has changed throughout the years, but it's clearly a choice she's making because she can still sound so crystalline when she chooses (as we've heard on tour).

In Incredible, for instance, she makes an effort to sound like Celine Dion:



Whereas Water and a Flame was on the same album and she sounded "trendy". Actually, looking back, maybe this whole new approach to singing on her albums is Eg White's fault. I'd love to know what David Foster thinks of Eg White's approach to producing Celine's music.



But then again, there were definitely signs of a new approach on the Taking Chances album. Several of those songs demonstrated a "new" Celine. I remember Celine claiming she was ready to showcase a new, tougher side of herself while recording the TC album. And we can even trace some of her new approaches to singing way earlier than TC.

Actually on WAAF this "issue" was still manageable and even cute I love how she sounded there, she did this froggie voice here and there but it didn't took over totally it's a still very Celine-ish style. She confessed in the session recording of WAAF that she tries to sing in a way "like she doesn't care" This is what we have in this Courage area where she totally embraced this but took it to the extreme
might be really that it more easy for her to sing like that and heck with what my old fans feel about it lol. There might be people that will really love it and other that will turn it off.

What she will do in 10 years from now? I can't get it, it won't fit her, those voice colors.

[Céline RO]

CSCfan, on 08 December 2020 - 10:32 AM, said:

Because her voice isn't like it was in the '90's anymore? Because, like everyone else... evolves (whether one likes it or not is a different question)?
Voices of all singers change over time, probably more with female singers than male singers. It's here to stay, like someone said earlier... we have to get used it (of we're not already by now).

I was talking about the actual production of the songs, not just her voice. Nowadays it sounds like the vocals are layered on top instead of it all blending together nicely. There’s also less reverb and it gives a very dry quality to the voice. Tokyo 2018 broadcast is a good example but this song doesn’t fail to outdo even that.

[browseceline]

celinesounds, on 08 December 2020 - 08:48 AM, said:

I had stopped to think how Celine should sound.

Since then...

Her team is a big team, they did an amazing job with courage.
We got 6 singles, 5 music videos, 3 tv special, and a Netflix documentary,
A tour named after the album, with 12 songs out of 21, from her most recent album.

They did an extraordinary job, why to complaint?

Where can I find that Netflix documentary?


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[Céline RO]

It is absolutely her choice. Remember when she did Sia’s “My Love” and sounded dreadful? Less than a year later she recorded “Courage” and she sang it beautifully.





I just hope the new French album won’t be in this horrible style and she will actually sing the songs the same way she always has.

Edited by Céline RO, 08 December 2020 - 12:59 PM.

[Céline RO]

browseceline, on 08 December 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Where can I find that Netflix documentary?


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I think it was an attempt at sarcasm.

[Céline RO]

I wonder if this is the song they were recording in October 2016 or if it was recorded more recently. I doubt Céline would have chosen not to include a song by Diane on the Courage album so maybe the 2016 recording session wasn’t for that?

[browseceline]

That is why she needs a David Foster to bring out the best out of her. And exactly why dry vocals and not properly mixing her with the backingtrack. Ashes is how it should sound, very well produced production. And I do not think her voice detoriates. She is able to sing like she did in the 90s but she likes to imitate voices. Don’t do that Celine. You are known because of your vocals. And it is a unique voice. We do not need another Adele or Sia.


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Céline RO, on 08 December 2020 - 12:57 PM, said:

It is absolutely her choice. Remember when she did Sia’s “My Love” and sounded dreadful? Less than a year later she recorded “Courage” and she sang it beautifully.





I just hope the new French album won’t be in this horrible style and she will actually sing the songs the same way she always has.

Courage was produced and written by S. Moccio, the guy who wrote ANDHC.
He knows Celine personality and voice well (like Goldman) and so Courage is the only track on Courage with her old clear voice.
I have nothing against a current SIA like song (LMBTL is amazing), but it depends on the production (HOG is great, but the production sucks).
Let's hope, that her next albums will have a better production than Courage.

Edited by comingback, 08 December 2020 - 01:33 PM.

[celinesounds]

CelinesDIVO5, on 08 December 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

6 singles with 5 music videos? Which era are you looking at? Lol

Courage, Am I Wrong?

browseceline, on 08 December 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Where can I find that Netflix documentary?


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netflix.com

[celinesounds]

browseceline, on 08 December 2020 - 01:29 PM, said:

That is why she needs a David Foster to bring out the best out of her. And exactly why dry vocals and not properly mixing her with the backingtrack. Ashes is how it should sound, very well produced production. And I do not think her voice detoriates. She is able to sing like she did in the 90s but she likes to imitate voices. Don’t do that Celine. You are known because of your vocals. And it is a unique voice. We do not need another Adele or Sia.


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People used to love Celine for a crystal voice, is good to have some different tracks, like we used to have in the past, but an all record?

Edited by celinesounds, 08 December 2020 - 01:36 PM.

[DionFanAlways]

Wow she just posted the little snippet of “Super Woman” on her fb!

[sarit_celine]

Céline RO, on 08 December 2020 - 12:57 PM, said:

It is absolutely her choice. Remember when she did Sia’s “My Love” and sounded dreadful? Less than a year later she recorded “Courage” and she sang it beautifully.





I just hope the new French album won’t be in this horrible style and she will actually sing the songs the same way she always has.

Because she is off (and will be off tour) for so many time ahead maybe we will get the French album this 2021?
It would be interesting to see what will be her approach for this album.

[sarit_celine]

browseceline, on 08 December 2020 - 01:29 PM, said:

That is why she needs a David Foster to bring out the best out of her. And exactly why dry vocals and not properly mixing her with the backingtrack. Ashes is how it should sound, very well produced production. And I do not think her voice detoriates. She is able to sing like she did in the 90s but she likes to imitate voices. Don’t do that Celine. You are known because of your vocals. And it is a unique voice. We do not need another Adele or Sia.


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Amen to that.

[PuraVida]

I don't think the vocal style we're talking about was ever trendy...

Using the grit and rasp, or some "bedroom voice", like on WAAF is not the same as having bad pronunciation.

[mirage]

That's just fans posting clips on the fangroup fb page

DionFanAlways, on 08 December 2020 - 01:51 PM, said:

Wow she just posted the little snippet of “Super Woman” on her fb!

[rfkavanagh]

sarit_celine, on 08 December 2020 - 10:41 AM, said:

I only entered few times to David's Facebook page but that was maybe like two years ago, I have no idea if he is still working but I wish he is. That man has a talent like no other. I care less for her pronunciation and actually love to hear her more in French, what I care the most is the delivery/colors of her voice. These elements can connect me to a song or to cause me to total ignore it.

I went to David Foster's Netflix concert last year and he talked a bit about essentially retiring from music to spend all his time on his charitable foundation.  I think he still does the occasional musical thing, but as he gets older his focus has shifted to a form of altruism - I wouldn't hold my breath for him to come running to Céline's rescue (for many reasons)!

sarit_celine, on 08 December 2020 - 10:56 AM, said:

As for the singing of Celine, it has nothing to do with voice changes and her voice sure did change (yet, she sings The Prayer amazingly good in live), it's her approach to songs that has changed she doesn't want to sound outdated. All the artists I'm following never changed their approach when it comes to singing, it's quite amazing what that happened to Celine, and as an old fan you can never get used to it (if it's for the good or for the bad- time will tell).

On the flipside, for me, one of the most frustrating things about Céline's shows is that it's incredibly rare for them to change the approach to any of the songs.  I'm not talking about changing a key or a few ad libs here and there; I mean giving the songs new treatments with new instrumentation, new structures, new musical styles - that way, the casuals still get to hear the songs they want to hear but there's something new and interesting for the fans hearing them for the umpteenth time.  

Obviously, I'm not talking about completely drastic reinterpretations that make the songs unrecognizable (no one would be happy then!), and they wouldn't have to do it to every song; just a few tracks given an interesting new makeover to keep things fresh. Instead, we generally just get the same old studio treatment from the album with little variation (I know it happens occasionally, but it's not exactly common).  

Most big artists put a new spin on their material when they go on tour, whereas apart from a few vocal changes, you could compile every live performance of WDMHBN, MHWGO, etc., from the last 20-30 years and play them in a row, and most people wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference.  Meanwhile, as just one example, I've lost track of the number of very different interpretations Kylie Minogue has given to Slow or The Loco-Motion or other repertoire chestnuts between all her tours and promo performances - in each case, the core song experience is there and delivers what people want to hear, but they're so much more interesting, fresh, and dynamic, plus there's the element of anticipation and surprise to see what she'll deliver this time.

Céline is Céline and of course it's always a joy to see her live, but the songs are stagnant - it's one reason why she's become much more of a heritage act than a viable contemporary artist.  And at the risk of joining the echo chamber, it's not enough to put a contemporary album out into the ether and then ignore it so no one ever knows that you're actually producing some new and interesting music.  

Céline RO, on 08 December 2020 - 12:57 PM, said:

It is absolutely her choice. Remember when she did Sia’s “My Love” and sounded dreadful?

I can't believe I'd never seen/heard this!  How on earth can you think she sounds dreadful?!  Yes, her current voice and vocal choices tend to be a little harsher than they used to be, but this was still a great performance.  Granted, not something I'll return to that often, but so much better than something like WAAF (a song which I really just don't like in both composition and performance).  Would be interested to hear someone put this a cappella against a music bed.

[PuraVida]

rfkavanagh, on 08 December 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

I went to David Foster's Netflix concert last year and he talked a bit about essentially retiring from music to spend all his time on his charitable foundation.  I think he still does the occasional musical thing, but as he gets older his focus has shifted to a form of altruism - I wouldn't hold my breath for him to come running to Céline's rescue (for many reasons)!



On the flipside, for me, one of the most frustrating things about Céline's shows is that it's incredibly rare for them to change the approach to any of the songs.  I'm not talking about changing a key or a few ad libs here and there; I mean giving the songs new treatments with new instrumentation, new structures, new musical styles - that way, the casuals still get to hear the songs they want to hear but there's something new and interesting for the fans hearing them for the umpteenth time.  

Obviously, I'm not talking about completely drastic reinterpretations that make the songs unrecognizable (no one would be happy then!), and they wouldn't have to do it to every song; just a few tracks given an interesting new makeover to keep things fresh. Instead, we generally just get the same old studio treatment from the album with little variation (I know it happens occasionally, but it's not exactly common).  

Most big artists put a new spin on their material when they go on tour, whereas apart from a few vocal changes, you could compile every live performance of WDMHBN, MHWGO, etc., from the last 20-30 years and play them in a row, and most people wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference.  Meanwhile, as just one example, I've lost track of the number of very different interpretations Kylie Minogue has given to Slow or The Loco-Motion or other repertoire chestnuts between all her tours and promo performances - in each case, the core song experience is there and delivers what people want to hear, but they're so much more interesting, fresh, and dynamic, plus there's the element of anticipation and surprise to see what she'll deliver this time.

Céline is Céline and of course it's always a joy to see her live, but the songs are stagnant - it's one reason why she's become much more of a heritage act than a viable contemporary artist.  And at the risk of joining the echo chamber, it's not enough to put a contemporary album out into the ether and then ignore it so no one ever knows that you're actually producing some new and interesting music.  



I can't believe I'd never seen/heard this!  How on earth can you think she sounds dreadful?!  Yes, her current voice and vocal choices tend to be a little harsher than they used to be, but this was still a great performance.  Granted, not something I'll return to that often, but so much better than something like WAAF (a song which I really just don't like in both composition and performance).  Would be interested to hear someone put this a cappella against a music bed.

The pronunciation is what is awful

[rfkavanagh]

PuraVida, on 08 December 2020 - 08:17 PM, said:

The pronunciation is what is awful

It's not great, but it's better than most of the songs on Courage...

[weasley123]

CelinesDIVO5, on 08 December 2020 - 09:53 AM, said:

6 singles with 5 music videos? Which era are you looking at? Lol

Dude, he's being sarcastic. 😄

[CelinesDIVO5]

rfkavanagh, on 08 December 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

On the flipside, for me, one of the most frustrating things about Céline's shows is that it's incredibly rare for them to change the approach to any of the songs.  I'm not talking about changing a key or a few ad libs here and there; I mean giving the songs new treatments with new instrumentation, new structures, new musical styles - that way, the casuals still get to hear the songs they want to hear but there's something new and interesting for the fans hearing them for the umpteenth time.  

Obviously, I'm not talking about completely drastic reinterpretations that make the songs unrecognizable (no one would be happy then!), and they wouldn't have to do it to every song; just a few tracks given an interesting new makeover to keep things fresh. Instead, we generally just get the same old studio treatment from the album with little variation (I know it happens occasionally, but it's not exactly common).  

Most big artists put a new spin on their material when they go on tour, whereas apart from a few vocal changes, you could compile every live performance of WDMHBN, MHWGO, etc., from the last 20-30 years and play them in a row, and most people wouldn't be able to tell much of a difference.  Meanwhile, as just one example, I've lost track of the number of very different interpretations Kylie Minogue has given to Slow or The Loco-Motion or other repertoire chestnuts between all her tours and promo performances - in each case, the core song experience is there and delivers what people want to hear, but they're so much more interesting, fresh, and dynamic, plus there's the element of anticipation and surprise to see what she'll deliver this time.

Céline is Céline and of course it's always a joy to see her live, but the songs are stagnant - it's one reason why she's become much more of a heritage act than a viable contemporary artist.  And at the risk of joining the echo chamber, it's not enough to put a contemporary album out into the ether and then ignore it so no one ever knows that you're actually producing some new and interesting music.  

Scott may not have strayed too far from the album tracks, but he sure made VAST improvements to all of Celine’s live arrangements. He brought TTWII back to life, he created that beautiful IACBTMN/TPOL medley with that gorgeous transition, that string section on “Je crois toi” was BREATHTAKING. He’s just really made her stage arrangements so much better.

The most interesting thing Mego did in the last 20 years he was with Celine, was the “I’m Alive” arrangement for the TCWT.

[ryba]

CelinesDIVO5, on 08 December 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

Scott may not have strayed too far from the album tracks, but he sure made VAST improvements to all of Celine’s live arrangements. He brought TTWII back to life, he created that beautiful IACBTMN/TPOL medley with that gorgeous transition, that string section on “Je crois toi” was BREATHTAKING. He’s just really made her stage arrangements so much better.

The most interesting thing Mego did in the last 20 years he was with Celine, was the “I’m Alive” arrangement for the TCWT.

Sorry if you’re a fan of it, but Im Alive is my all time favourite Celine song, but I really hated that version from the TCWT. It destroyed this amazing song

[DionFanAlways]

rfkavanagh, on 08 December 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

On the flipside, for me, one of the most frustrating things about Céline's shows is that it's incredibly rare for them to change the approach to any of the songs.  I'm not talking about changing a key or a few ad libs here and there; I mean giving the songs new treatments with new instrumentation, new structures, new musical styles - that way, the casuals still get to hear the songs they want to hear but there's something new and interesting for the fans hearing them for the umpteenth time.  


Céline is Céline and of course it's always a joy to see her live, but the songs are stagnant - it's one reason why she's become much more of a heritage act than a viable contemporary artist.  And at the risk of joining the echo chamber, it's not enough to put a contemporary album out into the ether and then ignore it so no one ever knows that you're actually producing some new and interesting music.

Yes, yes and yes! You just hit how I feel on the head!

[Céline RO]

ryba, on 09 December 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

Sorry if you're a fan of it, but Im Alive is my all time favourite Celine song, but I really hated that version from the TCWT. It destroyed this amazing song

Agreed (though “I’m Alive” is definitely not one of my favorites).

[MTJ]

CelinesDIVO5, on 08 December 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

The most interesting thing Mego did in the last 20 years he was with Celine, was the "I'm Alive" arrangement for the TCWT.

Hardly! That arrangement is the Johnny Rocks World Anthem Remix from the single.

[CSCfan]

CelinesDIVO5, on 08 December 2020 - 11:00 PM, said:

The most interesting thing Mego did in the last 20 years he was with Celine, was the "I'm Alive" arrangement for the TCWT.

I believe he also did the IACBTMN/TPOL medley.... That was def one his few highlights!
Also loved the USF arrangements of the "Je danse dans ma tête/Des mots qui sonnent/Incognito" medley and "Je crois toi".

Playing devil's advocate here: although I also believe Scott brought more life to most of the songs, Mego's influence was kinda really limited because of René. Scott was "lucky", René wasn't as hands-on when he came aboard, although IMO, he could've done more (after 2017).

Edited by CSCfan, 09 December 2020 - 10:40 AM.

[ryba]

MTJ, on 09 December 2020 - 10:19 AM, said:

Hardly! That arrangement is the Johnny Rocks World Anthem Remix from the single.

yes, it's an extremely poor live arrangement of it

[jpatdeleon09]

Are you ecshpecting... some kind of perfechtch. Perfecshaun.

Can’t wait to hear the full song

[PuraVida]

CSCfan, on 09 December 2020 - 10:35 AM, said:

I believe he also did the IACBTMN/TPOL medley.... That was def one his few highlights!
Also loved the USF arrangements of the "Je danse dans ma tête/Des mots qui sonnent/Incognito" medley and "Je crois toi".

Playing devil's advocate here: although I also believe Scott brought more life to most of the songs, Mego's influence was kinda really limited because of René. Scott was "lucky", René wasn't as hands-on when he came aboard, although IMO, he could've done more (after 2017).

have links to those performances?