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 Derek F., on 28 January 2014 - 01:37 AM, said:

I want to thank many of you for your kind words, and I agree that we are doing a great job at staying respectful and kind to each other regarding our beliefs! I would like to add onto my previous comments.

I want to say that I think Celine is a huge inspiration to millions of her fans (including me) around our world! If we were just casual fans, we wouldn't be members of this forum right? Celine has even been voted in several polls as a inspiration over the years. She has won several fan voted awards over her career, and has sold millions of CD's and concert tickets, we can see Celine's an inspiration! Celine is free to do and believe what and in what she wants. But Celine has spoken in biography's and in interviews over the years that she's an "open book" with her fans and that she wants to be honest with her fans. I do believe that with Celine wanting to "be real" with her fans (which is something I have admired), and with her being an inspiration to so many, that comes with a responsibility to express yourself honestly through your music that you are recording and releasing to your fans. I believe even if you usually don't write your own songs (like Celine), you still should select songs that you want to express yourself through that are being true to yourself and who you are, like Celine desires to be to her fans.

Over the years as I have listened to and watched Celine sing and perform her chosen songs, I have seen how she seems to believe in every word she sings. Whether she sang about her life, love, our world, and God. Celine seems to wear her heart on her sleeve. She sings with so much emotion! That is a reason I love her so much! I love to see the passion she sings with! Celine has given some awesome performances of song about God and Jesus over the years. Her performance of "O Holy Night" on her first CBS special in 1998 was just amazing! And like I had said, her emotional, raw performance of "God bless America" was the best performance I've ever saw Celine give! If Celine didn't believe what she was singing, then why would she pick these songs and perform them with so much passion if she is being honest and real?

Here's something else I forgot to mention... Celine's first two albums of her career had a Christian theme! Her very first album ever was called La voix du bon Dieu (In English- The good Lord's voice)!! I agree and believe that Celine's voice is blessed by The Lord! Her second album was a French CHRISTmas album! Then in 1983 Celine released a second Christmas album. I love, love, love this! seems that Celine would only do this if she wanted show that she has faith in God. Then came the many Christian songs Celine has released over her career and the English Christmas album These Are Special Times. If Celine was wanting to be real to her fans, then wouldn't she want to give her fans songs that she believes and that express her emotions and thoughts? I think Celine does. I have watched Celine give so many interviews over her career, and she has never seemed fake.

Yesterday, on the way to work, I listened to Celine sing "O Holy Night" and I cried. I cried for many reasons. The song is beautiful. The lyrics are amazing. They give glory to God and Jesus. Celine sings with so much emotion! This is my favorite Christmas song. Over the years, listening to Celine's version has brought me closer to Jesus. Celine's believable performance of the song made me relate to her. I cried because I hope that this was really the case. That Celine believes what she sings. That when she recorded this, she meant it. I pray that Celine still does. I hope that nobody is hurting her faith in God lately. I hope that someone is not encouraging her to give up on her faith. Celine is my favorite celebrity. My favorite singer. Someone I look up to. Someone I respect. I have trusted that Celine sings what she believes. I have had so many great memories with my family and God over the years with Celine's songs. If that's not personal, I don't know what is? That is why I cried.

I hope this doesn't sound silly, but along with my belief in God, I believe in Heaven. Since I always thought Celine is a Christian like me, I always thought I would be able to meet her in Heaven, hug her, and tell her how much she means to me! It would hurt me to think that I wouldn't be able to do that. I have seen Celine in concert three times and each time I have tried to meet her, but was not able to. I have tried to meet her many other times also. I hope I can sometime meet her also in my life here, but it's so hard! I have believed that meeting her in Heaven will be just awesome! I hope I can.

Again, I think that Celine is right about not needing to attend church to believe in God and Jesus. Church can be good, but it's not required. I think the concept of religion actually can keep people away from God. I think what is important is just having a real belief in God, and His Son, and having a relationship with them. I believe that is what God craves. A connection and relationship, A trust in Him. Not just finding him on Sundays in Church, but everyday in our lives, no matter where we go. However, Church can help us with bonding with God and learning about His nature. His love. His forgiveness. His empathy. His interest in us and our lives.

I hope Celine IS still a Christian. That she still believes. That she will record and perform more songs about God. That nobody ever encourages her to give up on her faith. I hope Celine raises her boys to believe and to be Christians. I really hope that Celine will give another interview soon, to expand on her beliefs and if she considers herself not religious, but instead a Christian that has accepted Christ as her Savior.

May I give a Bible passage that I wish I could give Celine also, this particularly relates to that we don't need a high priest to answer to, but can have true freedom in Jesus:
"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weakness, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in our time of need." Hebrews 4:15-16

Thanks again to everyone for being respectful. Thanks for your feedback. May God and His Son bless and be with you, your families, Celine and her family!

Thanks again Derek F, agree totally.

Take care, God Bless.

Sharon

[Lu CelineFan]

 c4n4d4, on 27 January 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

The idea that based on previous interviews that she had been misleading about her faith till this point though can easily be explained as just a change of mindset regard religion due to lifestyle, changes in her life, ect. In an interview from 1999 she could have made a comment about how she is a devout follower of her faith, but throughout the years and changes that have occurred in her life she may no longer view religion and church as she did at another point of her life. Somebody brought up IVF and mentioned how in the eyes of the Catholic church its wrong, well that is true especially a few years ago when it was first becoming well-known and used, so for instance prior to her pregnancy Celine may have been more devout and more pro-church and organized religion, but with all the negativity that the church was spewing about children and pregnancies as a result of IVF may have turned her off to the concept of an institutionalized church and religion. So she may not have been misleading or being dubious with her remarks over the past years of her beliefs, they may have just changed and evolved since then leaving us with this interview where she states how she currently views faith and God.

THIS

[Lu CelineFan]

 Derek F., on 28 January 2014 - 01:37 AM, said:

I want to thank many of you for your kind words, and I agree that we are doing a great job at staying respectful and kind to each other regarding our beliefs! I would like to add onto my previous comments.

I want to say that I think Celine is a huge inspiration to millions of her fans (including me) around our world! If we were just casual fans, we wouldn't be members of this forum right? Celine has even been voted in several polls as a inspiration over the years. She has won several fan voted awards over her career, and has sold millions of CD's and concert tickets, we can see Celine's an inspiration! Celine is free to do and believe what and in what she wants. But Celine has spoken in biography's and in interviews over the years that she's an "open book" with her fans and that she wants to be honest with her fans. I do believe that with Celine wanting to "be real" with her fans (which is something I have admired), and with her being an inspiration to so many, that comes with a responsibility to express yourself honestly through your music that you are recording and releasing to your fans. I believe even if you usually don't write your own songs (like Celine), you still should select songs that you want to express yourself through that are being true to yourself and who you are, like Celine desires to be to her fans.

Over the years as I have listened to and watched Celine sing and perform her chosen songs, I have seen how she seems to believe in every word she sings. Whether she sang about her life, love, our world, and God. Celine seems to wear her heart on her sleeve. She sings with so much emotion! That is a reason I love her so much! I love to see the passion she sings with! Celine has given some awesome performances of song about God and Jesus over the years. Her performance of "O Holy Night" on her first CBS special in 1998 was just amazing! And like I had said, her emotional, raw performance of "God bless America" was the best performance I've ever saw Celine give! If Celine didn't believe what she was singing, then why would she pick these songs and perform them with so much passion if she is being honest and real?

Here's something else I forgot to mention... Celine's first two albums of her career had a Christian theme! Her very first album ever was called La voix du bon Dieu (In English- The good Lord's voice)!! I agree and believe that Celine's voice is blessed by The Lord! Her second album was a French CHRISTmas album! Then in 1983 Celine released a second Christmas album. I love, love, love this! seems that Celine would only do this if she wanted show that she has faith in God. Then came the many Christian songs Celine has released over her career and the English Christmas album These Are Special Times. If Celine was wanting to be real to her fans, then wouldn't she want to give her fans songs that she believes and that express her emotions and thoughts? I think Celine does. I have watched Celine give so many interviews over her career, and she has never seemed fake.

Yesterday, on the way to work, I listened to Celine sing "O Holy Night" and I cried. I cried for many reasons. The song is beautiful. The lyrics are amazing. They give glory to God and Jesus. Celine sings with so much emotion! This is my favorite Christmas song. Over the years, listening to Celine's version has brought me closer to Jesus. Celine's believable performance of the song made me relate to her. I cried because I hope that this was really the case. That Celine believes what she sings. That when she recorded this, she meant it. I pray that Celine still does. I hope that nobody is hurting her faith in God lately. I hope that someone is not encouraging her to give up on her faith. Celine is my favorite celebrity. My favorite singer. Someone I look up to. Someone I respect. I have trusted that Celine sings what she believes. I have had so many great memories with my family and God over the years with Celine's songs. If that's not personal, I don't know what is? That is why I cried.

I hope this doesn't sound silly, but along with my belief in God, I believe in Heaven. Since I always thought Celine is a Christian like me, I always thought I would be able to meet her in Heaven, hug her, and tell her how much she means to me! It would hurt me to think that I wouldn't be able to do that. I have seen Celine in concert three times and each time I have tried to meet her, but was not able to. I have tried to meet her many other times also. I hope I can sometime meet her also in my life here, but it's so hard! I have believed that meeting her in Heaven will be just awesome! I hope I can.

Again, I think that Celine is right about not needing to attend church to believe in God and Jesus. Church can be good, but it's not required. I think the concept of religion actually can keep people away from God. I think what is important is just having a real belief in God, and His Son, and having a relationship with them. I believe that is what God craves. A connection and relationship, A trust in Him. Not just finding him on Sundays in Church, but everyday in our lives, no matter where we go. However, Church can help us with bonding with God and learning about His nature. His love. His forgiveness. His empathy. His interest in us and our lives.

I hope Celine IS still a Christian. That she still believes. That she will record and perform more songs about God. That nobody ever encourages her to give up on her faith. I hope Celine raises her boys to believe and to be Christians. I really hope that Celine will give another interview soon, to expand on her beliefs and if she considers herself not religious, but instead a Christian that has accepted Christ as her Savior.

May I give a Bible passage that I wish I could give Celine also, this particularly relates to that we don't need a high priest to answer to, but can have true freedom in Jesus:
"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weakness, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in our time of need." Hebrews 4:15-16

Thanks again to everyone for being respectful. Thanks for your feedback. May God and His Son bless and be with you, your families, Celine and her family!

Thank you for your words.

[Angel2006]

In my opinion, I think Celine was just using that story about her mom and the church as an example. A way to not feel so guilty about not having time in her schedule to regularly go to church.

I think it's how she deals with not being able to visit church very often. She rests on the values her mom taught her as a child, That she doesn't have to go to church on a regular basis to feel God's love, that his love is everywhere.

Celine has mentioned how she feels guilty over the years that her busy schedule and lifestyle doesn't allow her the time to go to church on a regular basis. Celine has also mentioned before that she loves going to church, That she thinks its so special and she wishes she could do it more often.

Celine has talked about her relationship with God alot lately and how strong her connection is with God, So i don't think there is any reason to believe that Celine doesn't have a strong connection with her faith.

I just think she feels a little guilty sometimes that her job doesn't allow her to do some normal everyday things that she would regularly do, if it wasn't for her career as an international super star who travels the world and sells out stadiums and has people who drive her from place to place and not live a normal life like a regular everyday person.

She doesn't have a "normal life". I don't think anyone needs to worry or question Celine's faith. I think her faith and beliefs in God are still very strong and that she turns to him regularly for strength and comfort. She even mentions in the liner notes of her new album how she prays to God every night for all the blessing in her life.

I think her faith is stronger then ever.

[danger]

 Aga.135, on 27 January 2014 - 05:05 AM, said:

Derek F., thank you for a very personal confession. I agree with you in many cases.

But I totally don't agree with Danger. I also live in Poland and I practise a lot (at least once a week). Moreover most of my friends (I would say that would be 40% of people that I know) are practicing Catholics. We're studying medicine and this can also be said about my friends from previous studies. I think we (Danger and I) understand "believing in Church" in a different way. I don't believe in a priest and don't need him to make me happy. BUT he is the only one who can celebrate Mass. That's the reason why I go to church. I believe that something unusual, a real miracle is happening there - transubstantiation of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. God is everywhere but this miricle is possible only in the church. Of course when sb believes it. I don't have to like the priest. I can even not listen to him at all. But I feel great need to be a part of the Eucharist. I'm doing it for God, not for a priest or any other person. It's not a big sacrifice for me - going to church even if there are people I don't like or don't agree with.

Aga you're one of 33% ppl who attend church, believe in confession etc. For the rest of us Poles it's just a tradition. We probably forgot what does it mean to celebrate Christmas, going for mass etc.  However many ppl who practice religion forgot that too. My housband and his family is attending church and believe hardly. Me I don't. There were tensions betweeen us Now we're not trying to persuade each other to do what we imagine would be good.

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I agree that Celine is extremely busy with a lot of things, but if she REALLY wanted to go to Church, she could. She does'nt have shows on a Sunday, so she could go. I understand with her being famous, it could maybe be a bit awkward for her and her family to walk into Church with a whole lot of other people there. But if she really would like to listen about God, that should not put her off, God should come first. There is no way anyone can understand The Bible on their own, it is a very complicated Book, and we need help to understand it properly. a person can get the illustrated Bible, which is like the proper Bible, but in brackets it explaines some of the versus to make it easier. I have the Joyce Meyer illustrated Bible, it is so beautiful, the way it makes everyday people understand. Am sure you guys have heard of her, she is amazing. The way she packs out those huge places where she talks, it's almost like as if there's going to be a concert. It is chock a block full, she gets the message over sooo easy. The people laugh quite a bit, the way she relates how people do things or talk about others, she is spot on. I watch her every morning, i enjoy it so much, a person can relate to that so easily, i just laugh and say to myself, it is so true what she is saying. Anyway, enough of me babbeling on.

Sharon

[lost84]

 danger, on 28 January 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

Aga you're one of 33% ppl who attend church, believe in confession etc. For the rest of us Poles it's just a tradition. We probably forgot what does it mean to celebrate Christmas, going for mass etc.  However many ppl who practice religion forgot that too. My housband and his family is attending church and believe hardly. Me I don't. There were tensions betweeen us Now we're not trying to persuade each other to do what we imagine would be good.

I don't go to church but I do know the meaning of Christmas and it makes me sad if you don't....

Edited by lost84, 28 January 2014 - 10:40 AM.

[LukeD]

Celine does not even relate to like 50% of her English material. If she isn't religious, then ok. She can believe in whatever she wants. I'm not religious either. First of all, I don't feel the need to hang on to something 'superior'. Second, not to be dismissive, but I'm not going to support a religion who doesn't accept homosexuality.

Edited by LukeD, 29 January 2014 - 09:23 AM.

[Lu CelineFan]

 smash, on 28 January 2014 - 05:19 AM, said:

I agree that Celine is extremely busy with a lot of things, but if she REALLY wanted to go to Church, she could. She does'nt have shows on a Sunday, so she could go. I understand with her being famous, it could maybe be a bit awkward for her and her family to walk into Church with a whole lot of other people there. But if she really would like to listen about God, that should not put her off, God should come first. There is no way anyone can understand The Bible on their own, it is a very complicated Book, and we need help to understand it properly. a person can get the illustrated Bible, which is like the proper Bible, but in brackets it explaines some of the versus to make it easier. I have the Joyce Meyer illustrated Bible, it is so beautiful, the way it makes everyday people understand. Am sure you guys have heard of her, she is amazing. The way she packs out those huge places where she talks, it's almost like as if there's going to be a concert. It is chock a block full, she gets the message over sooo easy. The people laugh quite a bit, the way she relates how people do things or talk about others, she is spot on. I watch her every morning, i enjoy it so much, a person can relate to that so easily, i just laugh and say to myself, it is so true what she is saying. Anyway, enough of me babbeling on.

Sharon

If Celine goes to church there´s no mass....

[DionFanAlways]

" . . . I don’t want to offer the people who come hear me a bouquet where every song is a rose. I want to take them into a garden with many different flowers.”
http://www.thestar.c...eline_dion.html

She needs to freshen up her garden!

Edited by DionFanAlways, 29 January 2014 - 03:12 PM.

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 celinefanonline, on 26 January 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

that's something!!!

  Yes, it is!  I like hearing new tid bits of information.

 Davey84, on 26 January 2014 - 06:08 AM, said:

Impressive article! Nice to hear her talk about religion seriously. I do have to agree with her! I believe in 'something' too... but not in a man with a beard sitting in heaven, putting his wrath upon us all the time... Thanks for the article! Very interesting!

(A shame she promoted the show now... not the album though!)

I agree with you on this, too.  I believe in 'God' as more of a spirit, or 'something', than one all powerful being, etc.  I do also wish she had mentioned a bit more about the album but I guess Vegas in ongoing and will be for sometime.........

 zuv, on 26 January 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Well she can say what ever she wants about the priest now... But without him there would'nt be a 14th child in the family, there wouldnt be any Celine Dion.

Am i right or am i wrong?

 Davey84, on 26 January 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

Well Celine said that a lot of times herself too... After the twins, when Therese found out she was pregnant again, she was devistated, cos she tought she could finally do her own things... She went to a priest and talked to him (because she wanted to get rit of the pregnancy) but he convinced her to keep it, thus we owe Celine to a priest At least that's how I remember how Celine told the story...

  I'm glad there is a 14th Dion as well!!  Thank goodness for that priest but I can also imagine what Therese must have been thinking and going through (not that I can relate to having 14, though).  I wonder if she ever wonders what their life would've been like had she not listened to the priest?  I wonder this myself, too.  Or what the world would be like if Celine had never existed......or had the desire to learn English to break into this market.  I know she's had tremendous French success and without a doubt would've had the same French career.  But I just can't imagine a world without her English career as well.

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 Lu Georgia, on 29 January 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

If Celine goes to church there´s no mass....

I think if Celine went to church it would be more of a disruption just because of who she is.  I think a lot of people, initially, would try to get autographs, pictures, etc.  However, I'm sure there would have to be something in place, set by the church, to discourage that.  On that note, though, who's to say a million fans wouldn't be camped outside trying to catch a glimpse, get an autograph, picture, etc?  If anything, if I was in her shoes I'd watch a televised service or have a priest come in to do communion, confession, or something simple every week......or maybe once a month.   Edit: assuming I wanted to do something like that.  For some people it's enough to just have your beliefs and not go to church.  These days, a lot of organized churches have become too political, etc. instead of simply a house of worship.  I love her thoughts/responses in this interview!!

Edited by ehild, 29 January 2014 - 03:28 PM.

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 donpi86, on 26 January 2014 - 06:15 AM, said:

Wow..  curious about the priest story... maybe they belonged to Opus Dei once??? because normlly the catholic priest doesn't go door by door asking for children... I believe that only the Opus Dei members have to have "x" number of children so the organization gives money to the family and help finding better jobs etc....  But I'm not pretty sure... maybe I'm saying bulls**t....  sorry if I ofend someone...

Nope not the Opus Dei, just the traditional Catholic Church in Québec before 1968

[Neddo]

Celine isn't hating the building she's hating the people who work there and in "religious" organisations. Celine is christian who thinks that church shouldn't be wealthy and politicaly powerful. She thinks that "religious" isn't religious. Celine knows that Church haves dark side and Celine thinks that it is unfair and corrupted.

[Neddo]

Celine and her mother EXPERIENCED the evil of church

[c4n4d4]

 Neddo, on 29 January 2014 - 06:15 PM, said:

Celine isn't hating the building she's hating the people who work there and in "religious" organisations. Celine is christian who thinks that church shouldn't be wealthy and politicaly powerful. She thinks that "religious" isn't religious. Celine knows that Church haves dark side and Celine thinks that it is unfair and corrupted.

While that may be the case I don't think you can use such definitive sentences regarding this because after all known of us actually know what her views and beliefs specifically are, we can only speculate based on a few quotes and what other small pieces if information we know

[Alex_Incognito]

This makes me proud of Celine. She believes in what she finds to be true; not what others tell her to believe or believe just because  a family/cultural tradition. This shows that she thinks out of the box.

I do find it funny that some were willing to toss her into the garbage because she doesn't think the way that you want her to. I also find it funny that many christians think non christians are barbarians. Think of thr millions of people that believe in something else. Their beliefs are just as strong as yours. Just because it's tradition doesn't make anything right.

Live and let live, I say.
Long live Celine.

Edited by Alex_Incognito, 29 January 2014 - 11:06 PM.

[Neddo]

 c4n4d4, on 29 January 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

While that may be the case I don't think you can use such definitive sentences regarding this because after all known of us actually know what her views and beliefs specifically are, we can only speculate based on a few quotes and what other small pieces if information we know

But still we know that nobody likes when church or any other religious organisation violently treats people. And I think that she was trying to tell that when her mother saved her so she gave that divine description. We all would give it to someone who would save us.

In my country we have lots of islamic sects and most of them are corrupted and yet people find them good. And we have many ordinary people who call themselves muslims just because they know few Kur'an lines or they go to mosque. Yet they go to clubs, drink alcohol, do drugs and many other things that are bad according to Kur'an. And many of them are homophobes and are lazy. I know how Celine feels about religions today.

[NicoNV]

 Alex_Incognito, on 29 January 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:

This makes me proud of Celine. She believes in what she finds to be true; not what others tell her to believe or believe just because  a family/cultural tradition. This shows that she thinks out of the box.

I do find it funny that some were willing to toss her into the garbage because she doesn't think the way that you want her to. I also find it funny that many christians think non christians are barbarians. Think of thr millions of people that believe in something else. Their beliefs are just as strong as yours. Just because it's tradition doesn't make anything right.

Live and let live, I say.
Long live Celine.

This wasn't about Christians finding non-Christians to be barbarians. The reality is, unless you are a Christian, or someone who has read and truly believes the Bible, our point of view is difficult (if not impossible) to understand without some level of offense (especially in a discussion over the internet that comes in bits in pieces, without a fuller conversation on faith and God). That's too bad, because no offense was intended. Christian faith is truly, truly, driven by love. When people do not share the faith, that can be incredibly misinterpreted and misunderstood. Your comment that Christians think non-christians are barbarians is a blanket statement that certainly doesn't apply to me. I do not have the impression it applies to any other Christians who responded on this thread either. But, just like others would not apologize for their beliefs and their faith, no one here who is a Christian should need to apologize for theirs (not saying you said that, just clarifying that since all people can express their faith, or lack of faith, or thoughts on a church or religion, Christians can share their point of view as well).

The bit about tossing her in the garbage, and this is the last time I am addressing it because all anyone has to do is read what I had said before, was not related to her faith in and of itself (just re-read my first posts, because I do not want to get it all started again). Like I said, I understand her point of view now. Good for her for continuing her faith--others in that circumstance may not have been as strong. Often, when a church wrongs someone, or someone finds an issue with a belief, they just turn their back on faith. Good for Celine's mom she was stronger than that--it's a rare strength in a person who does that, and good for Celine in continuing her faith despite being so much a part of the world. God bless them all I say (and for that matter, God bless everyone on this board)!

On this note, I am ending my interaction with this thread because I think we all have come to understand what she meant, and sharing and discussing the article was the purpose of this thread. Now that I get her point, I do not want this thread (for me) to turn into something it was not intended to be. Everyone else, enjoy the ongoing discussion (it's been interesting, and possibly less controversial and more civil than discussions involving which album people believe to be her best ) !

Edited by NicoNV, 30 January 2014 - 07:16 AM.

[NicoNV]

 NicoNV, on 30 January 2014 - 07:14 AM, said:

This wasn't about Christians finding non-Christians to be barbarians. The reality is, unless you are a Christian, or someone who has read and truly believes the Bible, our point of view is difficult (if not impossible) to understand without some level of offense (especially in a discussion over the internet that comes in bits in pieces, without a fuller conversation on faith and God). That's too bad, because no offense was intended. Christian faith is truly, truly, driven by love. When people do not share the faith, that can be incredibly misinterpreted and misunderstood. Your comment that Christians think non-christians are barbarians is a blanket statement that certainly doesn't apply to me. I do not have the impression it applies to any other Christians who responded on this thread either. But, just like others would not apologize for their beliefs and their faith, no one here who is a Christian should need to apologize for theirs (not saying you said that, just clarifying that since all people can express their faith, or lack of faith, or thoughts on a church or religion, Christians can share their point of view as well).

The bit about tossing her in the garbage, and this is the last time I am addressing it because all anyone has to do is read what I had said before, was not related to her faith in and of itself (just re-read my first posts, because I do not want to get it all started again). Like I said, I understand her point of view now. Good for her for continuing her faith--others in that circumstance may not have been as strong. Often, when a church wrongs someone, or someone finds an issue with a belief, they just turn their back on faith. Good for Celine's mom she was stronger than that--it's a rare strength in a person who does that, and good for Celine in continuing her faith despite being so much a part of the world. God bless them all I say (and for that matter, God bless everyone on this board)!

On this note, I am ending my interaction with this thread because I think we all have come to understand what she meant, and sharing and discussing the article was the purpose of this thread. Now that I get her point, I do not want this thread (for me) to turn into something it was not intended to be. Everyone else, enjoy the ongoing discussion (it's been interesting, and possibly less controversial and more civil than discussions involving which album people believe to be her best ) !

If I could have edited, I would have clarified better quoting the tossing her in the garbage statement. I didn't mean that was my plan or a phrase I would have ever used  (as I said in my posts on this, I was disspoainted, I was upset, but then I understood her point), I was just referring to the language/phrasing used by Alex_Icognitio.

Now I am out of here (Not just the thread, but I have to go away for a few days. So, I won't be writing for about a week).

[am2pm]

Incredible.. ♥

[Jeffieboi]

I'm probably going to say something that's going to offend people. I'm letting everyone know right off the bat that my goal is to NOT offend anyone, but if I do....it's only because I have a different opinion than they do.

I'm actually shocked that people aren't making a bigger deal out of this, simply because this is brand new information. I've been addicted to her for 18 years now. This information is completely new to us, and she needs our support.

I don't care what your religion is, and I recognize that everybody feels strongly about their faith, or even lack their of....but this PARTICULAR branch of Catholicism (which I don't believe our fellow Catholic members follow) put their business where it doesn't belong.....in a personal family matter.

The fact that they interfered with Celine's family's life....infuriates me! I don't care what religion you are. The only thing that bothers me....is when someone tries to force me to live MY life 100% according to THEIR religion. I totally see where Celine is coming from.

[PuraVida]

 pat200, on 26 January 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

sad she totally forgot barbra's inspiration on her...she never mentions her anymore and let's face it, streisand is her ultimate female singer. to name ne-yo is just ridiculous, and to mention janis ian just cause of one song she does of hers is too.

Agreed! I'm always upset she forgets about her...but then she pulled that Barbra cover out of nowhere when she returned after Rene's death