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[Bruno Portugal]

I'm sorry, but it's time to focus on the new English album.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 Javito, on 20 November 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

What do you mean? We don't have any idea about Enya's life or how she spends time besides doing her music. Because she composes her own music, but further than that, she is involved and controls until the smallest detail of her work. Absolutely every aspect, nothing is done without their consent, since the start of her career. That's why she takes between 3 and 7 years to put an album together. Everything you hear on her albums is done, played and performed by her. That requires a lot of work.

On the contrary, Céline is given everything to her and she only has to put the voice and record the songs. Every aspect and decision has been taken for her and she has a huge team to do the paperwork and take the decisions (at least that's how it's been until now). So saying that Céline is very busy in terms of how much involvement she has had in her career is a little ironic, knowing that she only had to be ready to enter the recording studio and sing. Of course she has worked every penny of what she has and she has worked very hard for (and still works a great deal!), but she has been so fortunate to have such a great manager and a big team of people only caring to give her the songs and just sing them.

And just because Enya doesn't have any children or she's very private about her life that doesn't mean she's not busy with other things

You just proved my point. Celine has a show. Multiple nights a week. So that she can be busy with her family, which she chooses to do. She also signs a contract with her record company that stipulates how many albums she's going to do in such and such a time. Enya manages her own career. She chooses when to put out her albums and how many she wants to put out. She dedicates most of her time to recording/writing, whereas Celine dedicates most of her professional time to the stage on a specific schedule so that she can keep busy with her children, and until last year, her dying husband. She also spent a bit of time in creating her handbag and accessory line, rehearsing for two tours over the last two years. She's no longer focused on back to back releases. I still don't understand why this can't be accepted.

[minolli]

I'm not necessarily desperate for a new Christmas album, but there are still a lot of classics she could put her spin on (and new songs would be great, too, obviously). I'd love to hear her do songs like "White Christmas," "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas," "I'll Be Home For Christmas," "Silent Night,"  etc. where she could have really lush arrangements and gorgeous vocals. She could even have a lot of fun with songs like "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)," "Let It Snow," "Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree," and all those "standards" that everyone does. Heck, she could even revisit some of the French songs like "Petit Papa Noël," or do a studio version of "Winter Song." There's still a lot of ground she could cover, and 20 years feels like plenty of time between Christmas albums. It also seems like a no-brainer in terms of big sales...

[CelineDionFreak]

I’ve always wanted to hear “Mary Did You Know?” from a Céline... I just think it could be so angelic and beautiful.

[actofcontrition]

+ I want the full Oh Christmas tree and a studio version of Do you hear what I hear and 4-5 new christmas songs

[flutefreak]

 CelineDionFreak, on 21 November 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

I’ve always wanted to hear “Mary Did You Know?” from a Céline... I just think it  could be so angelic and beautiful.

Yes, I love that song!  Would love to hear her version.

[CSCfan]

 Javito, on 20 November 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

What do you mean? We don't have any idea about Enya's life or how she spends time besides doing her music. Because she composes her own music, but further than that, she is involved and controls until the smallest detail of her work. Absolutely every aspect, nothing is done without their consent, since the start of her career. That's why she takes between 3 and 7 years to put an album together. Everything you hear on her albums is done, played and performed by her. That requires a lot of work.

On the contrary, Céline is given everything to her and she only has to put the voice and record the songs. Every aspect and decision has been taken for her and she has a huge team to do the paperwork and take the decisions (at least that's how it's been until now). So saying that Céline is very busy in terms of how much involvement she has had in her career is a little ironic, knowing that she only had to be ready to enter the recording studio and sing. Of course she has worked every penny of what she has and she has worked very hard for (and still works a great deal!), but she has been so fortunate to have such a great manager and a big team of people only caring to give her the songs and just sing them.

And just because Enya doesn't have any children or she's very private about her life that doesn't mean she's not busy with other things

It's all a matter of priorities (and what kind of a singer/artist one is and wants to be), and Céline's are way different than Enya or any other artist. Some people just can't grasp the fact Céline is Céline and does things her way. I can get you don't agree with how things happen, but keep wishing it would be different is just a waste of your energy; there are plenty of other singers who do all the stuff you love to see. Free tip: just start following any of the younger artist who are just starting out, it might give you much more satisfaction.

We are all busy in our own way.

Edited by CSCfan, 22 November 2017 - 09:59 AM.

[Javito]

 CSCfan, on 22 November 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

It's all a matter of priorities (and what kind of a singer/artist one is and wants to be), and Céline's are way different than Enya or any other artist. Some people just can't grasp the fact Céline is Céline and does things her way. I can get you don't agree with how things happen, but keep wishing it would be different is just a waste of your energy; there are plenty of other singers who do all the stuff you love to see. Free tip: just start following any of the younger artist who are just starting out, it might give you much more satisfaction.

We are all busy in our own way.

That or, maybe Céline should get a manager to start of? And a young one, so that those things we'd all love to happen, start happening? Because she's without any direction now, no management and she needs one, sooner or later. Just saying

[RosieBarron]

 Javito, on 22 November 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

That or, maybe Céline should get a manager to start of? And a young one, so that those things we'd all love to happen, start happening? Because she's without any direction now, no management and she needs one, sooner or later. Just saying

In fairness I am starting to think that a bit more management wouldn't be a bad thing. It does feel like things are getting a bit random sometimes. And someone really needs to tell her to start giving interviews again. It's all been very quiet on that front this year.

I mean I get that she is doing what she wants now and has kind of earned the right to do that, but some structure for the sake of the fans wouldn't go amiss.

Edited by RosieBarron, 22 November 2017 - 02:20 PM.

[ryba]

NO BORING CHRISTMAS MUSIC, NOOOO!!!!

[duchess83]

Christmas music is such a personal thing. I know some people are bored with it. Personally I love it and would love to see another Christmas album from Celine if she would enjoy making it. Right now she seems to record when it moves her and release things when they're ready, and that's the kind of artist she should be.

 Javito, on 20 November 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

We don't have any idea about Enya's life or how she spends time besides doing her music. Because she composes her own music, but further than that, she is involved and controls until the smallest detail of her work. Absolutely every aspect, nothing is done without their consent, since the start of her career. That's why she takes between 3 and 7 years to put an album together. Everything you hear on her albums is done, played and performed by her.

Everything? Weh? Enya has always had collaborators and other musicians on her albums. She also doesn't tour and lives a private life.

(I'd love to see another full Christmas album from Enya as well.)

Edited by duchess83, 28 November 2017 - 11:58 AM.

[Javito]

 duchess83, on 28 November 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

Everything? Weh? Enya has always had collaborators and other musicians on her albums. She also doesn't tour and lives a private life.

(I'd love to see another full Christmas album from Enya as well.)

Yes, everything you hear and every intrument is played by her. There had been some exceptions along the way, and some "invited guests" to play certain instrument here and there, but these are rare exceptions.

[duchess83]

 Javito, on 28 November 2017 - 04:43 PM, said:

Yes, everything you hear and every intrument is played by her.

Maybe my post wasn't clear. I've followed her for a long time and can actually read liner notes. I knew it wasn't true when you said it the first time.

[PuraVida]

What Christmas songs would you like to hear Celine cover?

[nuts2you]

First let us fans get thought the summer first ,before we start talking about Christmas songs

[PuraVida]

 nuts2you, on 04 August 2022 - 02:42 PM, said:

First let us fans get thought the summer first ,before we start talking about Christmas songs

"Us fans" ?

[zuv]

 nuts2you, on 04 August 2022 - 02:42 PM, said:

First let us fans get thought the summer first ,before we start talking about Christmas songs

No if we want a new christmas album we need to talk about it now!

[ryba]

No interest in Christmas music from Celine. I prefer some super power ballads like she used to serve in the 90s

[AdrienneM]

 ryba, on 05 August 2022 - 06:20 AM, said:

No interest in Christmas music from Celine. I prefer some super power ballads like she used to serve in the 90s

Has it never crossed your mind that the reason she doesn’t do those types of songs anymore is because she literally can’t? Vocally it’s just not feasible for her to do that anymore and then expect her to be able to replicate that live when I imagine she’d have a hard enough time doing so in studio.

[ryba]

 AdrienneM, on 05 August 2022 - 06:30 AM, said:

Has it never crossed your mind that the reason she doesn't do those types of songs anymore is because she literally can't? Vocally it's just not feasible for her to do that anymore and then expect her to be able to replicate that live when I imagine she'd have a hard enough time doing so in studio.

No, it never crossed my mind. On Play me like a love song, Ashes or The Hard Way she proved that she can very well indeed! Moreover, she slays live like no other. And if she can slay live like she does, she can even more so in the studio.

Edited by ryba, 05 August 2022 - 08:46 AM.

[isurrender]

Which super power ballad does she do live ?

[AdrienneM]

 ryba, on 05 August 2022 - 08:43 AM, said:

No, it never crossed my mind. On Play me like a love song, Ashes or The Hard Way she proved that she can very well indeed! Moreover, she slays live like no other. And if she can slay live like she does, she can even more so in the studio.

Ashes was not a hard song to sing at all and yet live it never sounded close to how it did in studio. The Hard Way she never sang live, which says all that needs to be said. And from what we heard, Play Me Like A Love Song was again not hard to sing, and yet her pronunciation was not good and it was never released. Watching her concerts from the past couple of years, it’s clear that on every ballad she sings, the playback track saves her, because she just categorically cannot do that live anymore. Even in The Prayer on the Courage Tour, she sings it well, but there was always a few rough notes during each performance, and that’s including the fact that it’s a far lower key. It’s something all big voiced artists face at some point in their 50s. Barbra had to do it, Aretha had to do it, Patti had to do it, Gladys Knight had to do it, Dolly Parton had to do it, Cher had to do it… once they got into their 50s, the ballads largely stopped, they started doing a lot more “speak singing”, the playback tracks came in and the keys became super low, and their vocal consistency diminished. And that’s not acknowledging the fact that Celine performed far more than them, likely making her vocal shift come even earlier than theirs did. I think the sooner people come to accept that she is not the same as she was vocally even 10 years ago, when she stopped doing as many ballads and increased the playbacks, then it will be alot easier to accept the vocal and musical choices she makes with regards to new material. She clearly has accepted it, so everyone else must too.

Edited by AdrienneM, 05 August 2022 - 09:05 AM.

[ryba]

 AdrienneM, on 05 August 2022 - 09:04 AM, said:

Ashes was not a hard song to sing at all and yet live it never sounded close to how it did in studio. The Hard Way she never sang live, which says all that needs to be said. And from what we heard, Play Me Like A Love Song was again not hard to sing, and yet her pronunciation was not good and it was never released. Watching her concerts from the past couple of years, it's clear that on every ballad she sings, the playback track saves her, because she just categorically cannot do that live anymore. Even in The Prayer on the Courage Tour, she sings it well, but there was always a few rough notes during each performance, and that's including the fact that it's a far lower key. It's something all big voiced artists face at some point in their 50s. Barbra had to do it, Aretha had to do it, Patti had to do it, Gladys Knight had to do it, Dolly Parton had to do it, Cher had to do it… once they got into their 50s, the ballads largely stopped, they started doing a lot more "speak singing", the playback tracks came in and the keys became super low, and their vocal consistency diminished. And that's not acknowledging the fact that Celine performed far more than them, likely making her vocal shift come even earlier than theirs did. I think the sooner people come to accept that she is not the same as she was vocally even 10 years ago, when she stopped doing as many ballads and increased the playbacks, then it will be alot easier to accept the vocal and musical choices she makes with regards to new material. She clearly has accepted it, so everyone else must too.

well, thanks for sharing. Yet, I will stick to my opinion.

[ryba]

 isurrender, on 05 August 2022 - 08:57 AM, said:

Which super power ballad does she do live ?

Have you seen her live in 2017? I did, and she sounded mind-blowing. Her notes in e.g. Think Twice were out of this world. How can people say that she cannot sing her songs live anymore... She certainly isn't 30 anymore, but she can still deliver properly.

[PuraVida]

I was just trying to ask a fun hypothetical question about Celine singing some Christmas tunes

If this rumour about a (partial?) Xmas album in the vault is true, I would love it if "Little Drummer Boy" were somehow on there. She'd sound amazing with that. "Silent Night" too

[stone]

I haven’t followed this thread, but it would not surprise me the least if she has 20 other Christmas songs recorded from 98 in the vault and ready to go! Clearly we’ll be able to tell if it’s her late 90’s voice haha

[isurrender]

 ryba, on 05 August 2022 - 09:11 AM, said:

Have you seen her live in 2017? I did, and she sounded mind-blowing. Her notes in e.g. Think Twice were out of this world. How can people say that she cannot sing her songs live anymore... She certainly isn't 30 anymore, but she can still deliver properly.

You guys on this forum need to put to rest 2 things :

- posting your dream setlist every page of every topic as it's been lasting for 20 years

- making your point with old facts.  Especially when this is right the Subject matter : time goes by.

When someone says " she won't be able to do it anymore"... first this is not to critize put to be fair to her state and then please read it correctly : "anymore" is very important.  It means she used to. So saying 'well she could in 2011 or whenever it was year ago" is totally irrelevant.

She left us in 2020 with weak vocal conditions ( to her standards) and 3 years will have gone by when she's back.

So to answer you,that is how we can say she can't sing anymore some songs.
And again, there s nothing wrong with it, this is how things go naturally

Edited by isurrender, 06 August 2022 - 02:28 PM.

[ryba]

 isurrender, on 06 August 2022 - 02:26 PM, said:

You guys on this forum need to put to rest 2 things :

- posting your dream setlist every page of every topic as it's been lasting for 20 years

- making your point with old facts.  Especially when this is right the Subject matter : time goes by.

When someone says " she won't be able to do it anymore"... first this is not to critize put to be fair to her state and then please read it correctly : "anymore" is very important.  It means she used to. So saying 'well she could in 2011 or whenever it was year ago" is totally irrelevant.

She left us in 2020 with weak vocal conditions ( to her standards) and 3 years will have gone by when she's back.

So to answer you,that is how we can say she can't sing anymore some songs.
And again, there s nothing wrong with it, this is how things go naturally

fact is that we cannot say a thing, because we haven't seen or heard her for 3 years, so let's wait and see until we jump to conclusions about her inability to perform old songs or record new ballads. Her voice has gotten weaker in the course of the Courage tour, because she hasn't had the time to let it recover. That doesn't mean that she is unable to record new power ballads in the studio, especially now after a long period of rest.

Edited by ryba, 06 August 2022 - 03:36 PM.

[PuraVida]

 woodstock, on 03 August 2022 - 10:58 AM, said:

Yes it was released on CD at the time as it was a b-side for That's the Way it is ^^

If I'm not wrong, Sony has a full unreleased Christmas album that's from the mid-2010s, right ?

 woodstock, on 04 August 2022 - 01:39 AM, said:

It was to be released for Christmas 2014, but this is when she took a long hiatus to take care of René. Sony decided to postpone the album...and almost 10 years later never released it, sadly for us.

[ryba]

Where do you guys have the info about a Christmas album that was planned for 2014? I never heard that before

Edited by ryba, 07 August 2022 - 03:44 AM.